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[herman]

It's the same pattern of thwarted entitlement, magnified on the internet where everyone can self-serve what they most want to hear, rather than diversify their ideas in the public sphere through discourse, critical thinking, and learning.

 

[Nik]

It's the same pattern of thwarted entitlement, magnified on the internet where everyone can self-serve what they most want to hear, rather than diversify their ideas in the public sphere through discourse, critical thinking, and learning.

I forget who made this point but it's the downside of mass communication. It used to be that towns might have a jerk like this but they were effectively isolated. Now all of those jerks can set up communities and talk to each other and reinforce their crappy ideas.

But hopefully this does lead to a more thoughtful examination on the sort of attitudes that maybe aren't as extreme as this but that definitely contribute to the ideas of entitlement on display, especially as it relates to women and masculinity.

 

[herman]

It's the same pattern of thwarted entitlement, magnified on the internet where everyone can self-serve what they most want to hear, rather than diversify their ideas in the public sphere through discourse, critical thinking, and learning.

I forget who made this point but it's the downside of mass communication. It used to be that towns might have a jerk like this but they were effectively isolated. Now all of those jerks can set up communities and talk to each other and reinforce their crappy ideas.

But hopefully this does lead to a more thoughtful examination on the sort of attitudes that maybe aren't as extreme as this but that definitely contribute to the ideas of entitlement on display, especially as it relates to women and masculinity.

It has demonstrably led to the polarization of the political sphere, among other spaces. I try to keep tabs on both what I feel kinship with and what is different to find common ground.

Canada has already had various instances of this exact thing (Ecole Polytechnique, 1989); basically every mass shooter in the States who wasn't radicalized by religion was radicalized in misogyny. And misogyny is deeply permeated into our culture in North America.

This article by Arthur Chu, who systematically wrecked Jeopardy! with game theory, helps peel back the curtain on how the little innocuous systems we grow up around can end up festering into a mental disease if unchecked:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/your-princess-is-in-another-castle-misogyny-entitlement-and-nerds-1

 

[Nik]

Canada has already had various instances of this exact thing (Ecole Polytechnique, 1989); basically every mass shooter in the States who wasn't radicalized by religion was radicalized in misogyny. And misogyny is deeply permeated into our culture in North America.

Well, and beyond that, I don't think you can necessarily completely delineate between religion and misogyny in that sense. If you look at the sort of people that groups like ISIS or Neo-Nazi organizations recruit they tend to be young men who're lonely and bitter about the way their lives have turned out. The misogyny inherent in these extremist faiths and the promised rewards often reflect a similar world view to these incel idiots.

 

[herman]

Canada has already had various instances of this exact thing (Ecole Polytechnique, 1989); basically every mass shooter in the States who wasn't radicalized by religion was radicalized in misogyny. And misogyny is deeply permeated into our culture in North America.

Well, and beyond that, I don't think you can necessarily completely delineate between religion and misogyny in that sense. If you look at the sort of people that groups like ISIS or Neo-Nazi organizations recruit they tend to be young men who're lonely and bitter about the way their lives have turned out. The misogyny inherent in these extremist faiths and the promised rewards often reflect a similar world view to these incel idiots.

That is a good (and very sad) point and I don't know how to fix it.

 

[Bender]

Canada has already had various instances of this exact thing (Ecole Polytechnique, 1989); basically every mass shooter in the States who wasn't radicalized by religion was radicalized in misogyny. And misogyny is deeply permeated into our culture in North America.

Well, and beyond that, I don't think you can necessarily completely delineate between religion and misogyny in that sense. If you look at the sort of people that groups like ISIS or Neo-Nazi organizations recruit they tend to be young men who're lonely and bitter about the way their lives have turned out. The misogyny inherent in these extremist faiths and the promised rewards often reflect a similar world view to these incel idiots.

That is a good (and very sad) point and I don't know how to fix it.

I think it should also be noted that it appears that he had some sort of mental issue along the lines of autism or some such. Just hearing about how he didn't make eye contact, would blurt out things randomly at times and people thinking he was generally "weird" makes me think that there was some issue he had at birth and maybe the not being able to get a date is more of a symptom of that. It doesn't absolve the other aspects at all but I think it colours things a bit.

 

[Nik]

Canada has already had various instances of this exact thing (Ecole Polytechnique, 1989); basically every mass shooter in the States who wasn't radicalized by religion was radicalized in misogyny. And misogyny is deeply permeated into our culture in North America.

Well, and beyond that, I don't think you can necessarily completely delineate between religion and misogyny in that sense. If you look at the sort of people that groups like ISIS or Neo-Nazi organizations recruit they tend to be young men who're lonely and bitter about the way their lives have turned out. The misogyny inherent in these extremist faiths and the promised rewards often reflect a similar world view to these incel idiots.

That is a good (and very sad) point and I don't know how to fix it.

Well, I think that there are real steps to be taken. For a long time bringing up issues of toxic masculinity or the things that lead to these kinds of attitudes and attempts to maybe try and fix them were dismissed as Liberal or Feminist hogwash. Now I think we are moving towards at least trying to address the building blocks of what creates this sort of outlook.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Canada has already had various instances of this exact thing (Ecole Polytechnique, 1989); basically every mass shooter in the States who wasn't radicalized by religion was radicalized in misogyny. And misogyny is deeply permeated into our culture in North America.

Well, and beyond that, I don't think you can necessarily completely delineate between religion and misogyny in that sense. If you look at the sort of people that groups like ISIS or Neo-Nazi organizations recruit they tend to be young men who're lonely and bitter about the way their lives have turned out. The misogyny inherent in these extremist faiths and the promised rewards often reflect a similar world view to these incel idiots.

That is a good (and very sad) point and I don't know how to fix it.

I think it should also be noted that it appears that he had some sort of mental issue along the lines of autism or some such. Just hearing about how he didn't make eye contact, would blurt out things randomly at times and people thinking he was generally "weird" makes me think that there was some issue he had at birth and maybe the not being able to get a date is more of a symptom of that. It doesn't absolve the other aspects at all but I think it colours things a bit.

While I know that you are not attempting to, you may want to consider not using an actual diagnosis such as autism and link it to this tragedy. Im sure those with the health problem, or those that have family that are autistic would say that's a bit of a stretch.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Canada has already had various instances of this exact thing (Ecole Polytechnique, 1989); basically every mass shooter in the States who wasn't radicalized by religion was radicalized in misogyny. And misogyny is deeply permeated into our culture in North America.

Well, and beyond that, I don't think you can necessarily completely delineate between religion and misogyny in that sense. If you look at the sort of people that groups like ISIS or Neo-Nazi organizations recruit they tend to be young men who're lonely and bitter about the way their lives have turned out. The misogyny inherent in these extremist faiths and the promised rewards often reflect a similar world view to these incel idiots.

That is a good (and very sad) point and I don't know how to fix it.

I think it should also be noted that it appears that he had some sort of mental issue along the lines of autism or some such. Just hearing about how he didn't make eye contact, would blurt out things randomly at times and people thinking he was generally "weird" makes me think that there was some issue he had at birth and maybe the not being able to get a date is more of a symptom of that. It doesn't absolve the other aspects at all but I think it colours things a bit.

While I know that you are not attempting to, you may want to consider not using an actual diagnosis such as autism and link it to this tragedy. Im sure those with the health problem, or those that have family that are autistic would say that's a bit of a stretch.

Absolutely agree.

 

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[hockeyfan1]

United we all stand...

 

[Bender]

Canada has already had various instances of this exact thing (Ecole Polytechnique, 1989); basically every mass shooter in the States who wasn't radicalized by religion was radicalized in misogyny. And misogyny is deeply permeated into our culture in North America.

Well, and beyond that, I don't think you can necessarily completely delineate between religion and misogyny in that sense. If you look at the sort of people that groups like ISIS or Neo-Nazi organizations recruit they tend to be young men who're lonely and bitter about the way their lives have turned out. The misogyny inherent in these extremist faiths and the promised rewards often reflect a similar world view to these incel idiots.

That is a good (and very sad) point and I don't know how to fix it.

I think it should also be noted that it appears that he had some sort of mental issue along the lines of autism or some such. Just hearing about how he didn't make eye contact, would blurt out things randomly at times and people thinking he was generally "weird" makes me think that there was some issue he had at birth and maybe the not being able to get a date is more of a symptom of that. It doesn't absolve the other aspects at all but I think it colours things a bit.

While I know that you are not attempting to, you may want to consider not using an actual diagnosis such as autism and link it to this tragedy. Im sure those with the health problem, or those that have family that are autistic would say that's a bit of a stretch.

Absolutely agree.

If you're vague and say mental health it gets written off as something that doesnt seem that important or construed as a different mental health issue like depression. If you say something more you're deemed as diagnosing. My point was he seems to have an issue he was born with that could have greater influence, on his actions than is being reported, along with everything else currently being discussed (incel etc.).

*Edit: This article articulates a lot of things I was thinking about but couldn't verbalize accurately:

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2018/04/26/were-not-a-violent-group-of-people-ex-classmate-of-alek-minassian-speaks-out-about-autism.html