Penguins @ Leafs - Mar. 10th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590

[Kin]

So what are everyone's thoughts on that interference/penalty call?

Like I said earlier I don't in anyway understand why it would be controversial. Dumoulin hit him in the head before the puck went in, the penalty stops the play...no goal.

 

[Bender]

Yeah, even if Marleau didn't score, it'd still be the obvious right move.

Maybe, although I guess my point is that there is no obvious right move where we're concerned. We're not as well positioned to know who might be sucking wind or would be as inclined to react well/or not to a mistake like that(although Marleau's status as a well-regarded veteran is certainly a good sign).

There are too many variables in that situation to know the numbers and, in place of that, sometimes results are the best way to gauge these things.

At least we can all agree the right choice is, at minimum, not Matt Martin

 

[Bender]

So what are everyone's thoughts on that interference/penalty call?

Like I said earlier I don't in anyway understand why it would be controversial. Dumoulin hit him in the head before the puck went in, the penalty stops the play...no goal.

I'm with you on this, but I'm just watching the Western game and it was brought up again - all the panelists think it's a good goal and they showed McDavid's goal getting called back where the league said it should have counted after the fact as a comparable. I don't get how its similar as Andersen was hit in the head. As well, Hrudey mentioned Dumolin making only incidental contact with the goaltender so it should count. I don't understand this logic since Andersen was hit in the head and it didn't appear to me that Hainsey influenced Dumolin's motion much, if at all, towards Andersen. Aren't they trying to reduce those kinds of hits to the head? (Not to mention he was in the blue paint which was given as a reason why there was no interference on Buffalo's goal earlier this week).

 

[Kin]

Even then, there's a difference between a goal that's called off on review and what happened here. The penalty was called immediately. The goal was scored after the whistle. I get, even if I disagree with, the argument that it shouldn't be a penalty but it was and the goal was scored after the penalty call.

As to whether or not it should have been a penalty I appreciate that the vagueness of the rule book leaves room for interpretation but I still don't see the case to be made here.

 

[BrownRolo]

Polak has been pretty good lately. I'd rather have him in than Zaitsev. How bad is that?

 

[herman]

Speaking of mistakes, opportunities, and motivation:
https://twitter.com/jonassiegel/status/972744836351778816

On the outset of our sanctioned rebuild, I said we should probably try to trade Kadri, JvR, and Gardiner for rebuild assets because they?d easily garner 1st rd picks and prospects.

I am pleased to be wrong there for the most part. The Kadri we see now is even better than the Kadri that won regularly with the London Knights. This Kadri can control games (for a stretch) and brings it more often than not. Outside of our ELCs, he and Rielly are some of the best value for the dollar in the game right now.

 

[ZBBM]

Kadri is an example of what the team should have done with Steen. Be patient.

Same with the Stralman.

 

[Highlander]

Kadri is an example of what the team should have done with Steen. Be patient.

Same with the Stralman.

Agreed, we are building on home grown, home drafted talent with a few good outside acquisitions. I can see in 4 years having virtually the entire team home grown.

Good win, tonight.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Kadri is an example of what the team should have done with Steen. Be patient.

Same with the Stralman.

That was Cliff Fletcher who traded him with Colaiacovo....Leafs weren't in patience mode back then with Ron Wilson as the coach who had no use for either player.
As for Stralman..Drafted by JFJ. When Burke and his truculence agenda came here, it was bye bye Stralman. Not that he actually lit things up after leaving the Leafs but hey sure could have used some patience with him tho. He was still pretty young.

 

[Palmateer29]

That was Cliff Fletcher who traded him with Colaiacovo....Leafs weren't in patience mode back then with Ron Wilson as the coach who had no use for either player.
As for Stralman..Drafted by JFJ. When Burke and his truculence agenda came here, it was bye bye Stralman. Not that he actually lit things up after leaving the Leafs but hey sure could have used some patience with him tho. He was still pretty young.
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Uggg...Stralman for Wayne Primeau, Cola and Steen for Lee Stempniak....

 

[Frank E]

I think maybe we should just wait until the Leafs actually win something before we start saying that keeping Kadri and Gardiner were good moves, never mind JVR.

At this point, this crew hasn't even won 1 single round of playoff hockey, and is an underdog to get out of the first round this spring.

Patience works both ways.

 

[herman]

I think maybe we should just wait until the Leafs actually win something before we start saying that keeping Kadri and Gardiner were good moves, never mind JVR.

At this point, this crew hasn't even won 1 single round of playoff hockey, and is an underdog to get out of the first round this spring.

Patience works both ways.

Sure, they haven't won anything meaningful yet; at the same time, I don't think that their progress and current achievements are nothing either. No one is crowning this pleasant retrospective as the end goal, pat yourself on the back, time to go home either. It's just a sign of positive steps forward in the rebuild of the franchise (at least with respect to Kadri), particularly with the front office taking development seriously.

If you look at some of the other tank teams that have crashed and burned around us, they stripped their teams down to the skate blades and are having a lot of difficulty climbing back out of the pit. At least a couple of them have had the same, if not far greater lottery luck than we did. Continually trying to cycle out their former top end picks to fill holes has further crippled their chances.

I think Kadri, JvR, and Gardiner (and Bozak and Komarov) have been very good insulation for the likes of Rielly and the Big Three to grow their game without confidence-crushing seasons. Furthermore, these vets are even stronger trade chips now than they were at the end of 2014 (haha, JvR :| ) if we find the need to part with them.