Nick Robertson traded to Pittsburgh
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A la Rob Brown with Lemieux.
I'm sure Leafs GMs sent out an email more than once to the other GMs
"Nick Robertson available. Anyone interested?"
And the return emails (from those who responded) was probably a 5th to 7th round pick - not very much or he would have been gone. So, the Leafs GMs felt they'd hang on to him. If they got an offer for a 2nd round pick, what GM wouldn't have taken that?
He had some significant injury history during the start of his career
Leafs coaches gave him TOI/game between 13th and 16th among forwards when he played
So the Leafs own coaches were not evaluating him that highly.
How do you persuade another GM to evaluate him highly with a high draft pick when his own coaches were not?
Trading him to the GM who drafted him is probably as good as it was going to get.
A change of scenery. More ice time and PP time playing on a scoring line with offensively skilled players. I think he can produce more offensively if he gets that chance. We'll see how it goes in Pittsburgh and whether that coach tries him in that role.
But for this particular transaction at this moment in time, they probably got all they were going to get with that 4th round pick.
"Nick Robertson available. Anyone interested?"
And the return emails (from those who responded) was probably a 5th to 7th round pick - not very much or he would have been gone. So, the Leafs GMs felt they'd hang on to him. If they got an offer for a 2nd round pick, what GM wouldn't have taken that?
He had some significant injury history during the start of his career
Leafs coaches gave him TOI/game between 13th and 16th among forwards when he played
So the Leafs own coaches were not evaluating him that highly.
How do you persuade another GM to evaluate him highly with a high draft pick when his own coaches were not?
Trading him to the GM who drafted him is probably as good as it was going to get.
A change of scenery. More ice time and PP time playing on a scoring line with offensively skilled players. I think he can produce more offensively if he gets that chance. We'll see how it goes in Pittsburgh and whether that coach tries him in that role.
But for this particular transaction at this moment in time, they probably got all they were going to get with that 4th round pick.
Would you put it past Treliving? I mean Lou still used a red phone in 2016.
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I don't completely buy that. The board is not unanimous in belief or degrees of that belief on almost anything. We don't act like a hive mind. I could easily say well actually every time we trade a guy we get outraged that we didn't get enough because we love our guys.
Truthfully though, I thought we'd get a 3rd when his value was higher and even then I would think that was too low for a guy with his promise. It hasn't shaken out that way and he's vocally wanted out for a while. I can see why both parties would want to move on and this was the market price.
Not common but I've seen that mentioned in media coverage.
For example, not that long ago, Freidman mentioned a group email chain to advise of player availability on 32 thoughts.
They change the email address periodically to avoid media.
I've also seen whatsapp, text, and naturally, because they talk frequently, they can do it one on one.
As I understand it, at certain times, when things are crazy like July 1 or deadline day, GMs don't have time to call everyone trying to flip a player for a draft pick. They can't trade him via email but they can line up interested parties in a time efficient way.
He put his heart into his effort here.
Moving on with his head held high.
Could be worse: chasing pucks with Crosby, Malkin, Letang & Karlsson ...
After he was drafted in the 2nd round, Robertson suffered injuries. After that, and due to his small size, he couldn't grow out of, I never thought he was worth more than a 3rd. I don't say that as an "I told you so". I'm saying it because it is an example of over time, our opinions of the players worth evolve due to circumstances like injuries, limitations that appear or performances above or below expectation, etc. We’re not pro scouts – we’re just fans.
The trend for me as a fan is some admitted bias - hoping the best for our prospects. To me, that is part of what being a fan is about, isn't it? Whatever round they're drafted in, that is the high watermark - no other team took him sooner. So as a hopeful fan, I marvel at the talent they display when they show up ... before the warts in their game get exposed that reveal why he didn't get drafted higher ... And then my expectations of them and my assessment of their value often erodes over time (unless the guy makes it). The very nature of the development to the NHL through a narrowing pipeline means most of our drafted players don't make it so our talent assessment of them is bound to generally fall accordingly and often ends, after their coach cut their ice time, with their contract not renewed by their GM.
We know only 20-25% of 2nd rounders go on to play 300+ games in the NHL. If Robertson plays 66 more NHL games, he joins that club - the minority who "made it" to the NHL. Yet as we reflect on his career, he hasn't really made it yet - not to the place we hoped he would. I don't think any fans need to apologize for hoping for the best and shooting high until the reality of how tough it is to get where they are trying to go sets in and lowers our expectations. It just seems to be part of the life of being a fan of teams who draft and try to develop hockey players into the best league in the world.
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