Blue Jays 2016 Payroll

[L K]

25-Man Roster
C Martin - 15M
C Thole - 800K
DH Encarnacion - 10M
1B Smoak - 3.9M
1B Colabello - 508K
2B Barney - 1.05M
2B Goins - 508K
SS Tulowitzki - 20M
3B Donaldson - (11.35M or 11.8M)
LF Saunders - 2.9M
LF Pompey - 508K
CF Pillar - 508K
RF Bautista - 14M
SP Dickey - 12M
SP Estrada - 11.5M
SP Happ - 10M
SP Stroman - 508K
SP/RP Hutchison - 2.2M
SP/RP Chavez - (3.6M or 4.0M)
RP Storen - 8.375M
RP Cecil - 3.8M
RP Loup - 1.05M
RP Delabar - 835K
RP Sanchez - 508K
RP Osuna - 508K

DL
2B Travis - 508K

Reserves
OF Lake - 508K
OF Carrera - 508K
RP Jenkins - 508K
RP Venditte - 508K
RP Tepara - 508K
RP Leon - 508K
RP Schultz - 508K

Other
PHI Revere Savings - +2.125M
Buyout Izturis - 1.0M
Buyout Romero - 600K

Total
25-Man Roster - 136.766M (Using the player arbitration number for Chavez and Donaldson)
Other - +525K

Recent Signings

• Michael Saunders signs a 2.9M contract.  He made 2.875M last year. He avoids arbitration.
• Brett Cecil signs for 3.8M.  He made 2.475M last year.  He avoids arbitration.
• Steve Delabar signs for 835K.  He made the minimum last year.
• Drew Hutchison signed for 2.2M.  He made the minimum last year.
• Aaron Loup signed for 1.05M.  He made the minimum last year.
• Drew Storen signed for 8.375M.  Ben Revere signed for 6.25M.  As part of the trade the Nationls will pay the 2.125M difference in salaries this year.  The Jays still owe a PTBNL.

Notes

• Josh Donaldson will go to arbitration for the second year in a row.  The Jays and Donaldson are 450K apart in their filings.
• Jesse Chavez will go to arbitration.  The team and player are 400K apart
• The Jays projected payroll without any further moves is going to be around 137M
• Players listed at the MLB minimum salary may make several thousand more than the minimum so the Jays payroll is likely another 50-200K higher than this projected roster

Non-Roster Spring Training Invites
Pitchers
Wil Browning
Taylor Cole
Scott Copeland
Scott Diamond
Chad Girodo
Conner Greene
Roberto Hernandez (Fausto Carmona)
Wade LeBlanc
Pat McCoy
Brad Penny

Catchers
Derrick Chung
Danny Jansen
Humberto Quintero

Infielders
David Adams
Jon Berti
Andy Burns
Matt Dean
Casey Kotchman
Jio Mier
Rowdy Tellez
Richard Urena

Outfielders
Anthony Alford
Roemon Fields
Dwight Smith Jr

 

[Frank E]

I hope I don't look stupid in asking this, but is that list missing Stroman?

 

[Kin]

And that 136 million is pre-any sort of Bautista or EE extension(And Chris Davis signing for 7/161 will inform those discussions). Likewise, any attempt to lock up Donaldson will probably start at double his arb total.

There's really no two ways about it, AA left this team in a salary mess.

 

[Frank E]

And that 136 million is pre-any sort of Bautista or EE extension(And Chris Davis signing for 7/161 will inform those discussions). Likewise, any attempt to lock up Donaldson will probably start at double his arb total.

There's really no two ways about it, AA left this team in a salary mess.

So is the consensus that they can't afford all 3?  And if so, who do they move out this year?

 

[Kin]

So is the consensus that they can't afford all 3?  And if so, who do they move out this year?

Well, if they had all three signed + Tulo you're talking about something in the ballpark of 70-80 million dollars committed to 4 players. Obviously what the Jays can afford is a contentious issue at times but unless you really think the Jays can carry a 180-200 million dollar payroll it's pretty safe to say that we won't see the 4 of them in the line-up past this season.

Which one goes? At a push, I'd guess one of Edwin or Jose. Or maybe both. It might not be a bad idea to push some money towards pitching.

 

[cabber24]

Strong words from Bautista:

http://www.tsn.ca/bautista-not-giving-blue-jays-a-hometown-discount-1.441718

I do agree that his contract was one of the best in baseball but he needs to remember he signed it after one season out of no where. He does deserve to get paid but it doesn't sound like the Jays have any room for negotiation. I hope what Baustita is asking for is in the Jays ballpark. Makes me sad to think we will likely loose Edwin or Bautista, hopefully not both. Retro pay is not how things work.

 

[Kin]

I do agree that his contract was one of the best in baseball but he needs to remember he signed it after one season out of no where. He does deserve to get paid but it doesn't sound like the Jays have any room for negotiation. I hope what Baustita is asking for is in the Jays ballpark. Makes me sad to think we will likely loose Edwin or Bautista, hopefully not both. Retro pay is not how things work.

He's not saying he wants to be paid retroactively, he's saying that his days of taking less than he's worth are over. He's probably been underpaid anywhere from 25 to 40 million over the course of his contract. The Jays can't expect him to do that again.

 

[Kin]

Also worth mentioning that there's nothing Bautista said that's really all that crazy. Provided he's being honest, he's just saying that he's given the Jays the number he'll say yes to. He could "give them room to negotiate" by starting at a higher number than he'd accept but who does that help?

 

[bustaheims]

Also worth mentioning that there's nothing Bautista said that's really all that crazy. Provided he's being honest, he's just saying that he's given the Jays the number he'll say yes to. He could "give them room to negotiate" by starting at a higher number than he'd accept but who does that help?

I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with the position he's taken. I just find it a little disappointing that he doesn't seem to be open to discussing other options, and, to me, that makes it sound like he doesn't really want to be a Jay anymore. I suppose how true that is depends on the contract he's demanding.

 

[Zee]

I'm upset with Bautista for taking valuable radio talk focus away from Leafs trades.

 

[Kin]

I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with the position he's taken. I just find it a little disappointing that he doesn't seem to be open to discussing other options, and, to me, that makes it sound like he doesn't really want to be a Jay anymore. I suppose how true that is depends on the contract he's demanding.

But by "other options" don't you really just mean less money and/or term? Any pending UFA is going to have a number that is the baseline for them to stay, if Jose's being upfront about that and sticking to it then it's probably better for the team than dancing around the issue.

 

[bustaheims]

But by "other options" don't you really just mean less money and/or term? Any pending UFA is going to have a number that is the baseline for them to stay, if Jose's being upfront about that and sticking to it then it's probably better for the team than dancing around the issue.

I suppose, but it could also include things like deferred money, or who knows what they might be able to come up with through negotiations. I just believe there's room for Jose to get what he wants without holding the team over a barrel like this. Allow some room for creativity and see what options get presented.

 

[Kin]

I suppose, but it could also include things like deferred money, or who knows what they might be able to come up with through negotiations. I just believe there's room for Jose to get what he wants without holding the team over a barrel like this. Allow some room for creativity and see what options get presented.

Except "what he wants" is being pretty clearly communicated. And not even what he wants. I'm sure he'd want even more than what he's asking for. He's just giving them a minimum he'd accept.

Which, to be fair, we don't know what form it takes. Maybe there is deferred money in there. Maybe there are option years. I don't necessarily think that Jose saying his number is five years, 110 million(or whatever) would preclude the team from structuring the 110 million however they want so long as the total compensation is there.

 

[cabber24]

I do agree that his contract was one of the best in baseball but he needs to remember he signed it after one season out of no where. He does deserve to get paid but it doesn't sound like the Jays have any room for negotiation. I hope what Baustita is asking for is in the Jays ballpark. Makes me sad to think we will likely loose Edwin or Bautista, hopefully not both. Retro pay is not how things work.

He's not saying he wants to be paid retroactively, he's saying that his days of taking less than he's worth are over. He's probably been underpaid anywhere from 25 to 40 million over the course of his contract. The Jays can't expect him to do that again.

I just don't agree with his home town discount comment. Yes, he should get fair value but stating he has already given the Jays a home town discount isn't fair. That is not the reason why he should get fair value. Out performing your contract doesn't mean you gave a home town discount to your team. If Bautista went back to the old Bautista after signing his contract the opposite argument could be made.

They were saying on the radio if he gets what he wants he is likely to "flip his pen" after signing.

 

[Kin]

I just don't agree with his home town discount comment. Yes, he should get fair value but stating he has already given the Jays a home town discount isn't fair. That is not the reason why he should get fair value. Out performing your contract doesn't mean you gave a home town discount to your team. If Bautista went back to the old Bautista after signing his contract the opposite argument could be made.

Except the fact that he's been underpaid relative to his performance is obviously going to be a factor in his thinking so why hide it? The question that was asked is essentially if he was willing to be underpaid relative to his performance again and his answer, understandably, is no and that he's already been doing that for five years.

Because the Blue Jays were getting such a good deal on Bautista over the years they were able to add other players at market value and improve the team and their own bottom line as a result. Whether or not he "gave them" a hometown discount is immaterial to the fact that they've enjoyed the benefits of one.

 

[cabber24]

I just don't agree with his home town discount comment. Yes, he should get fair value but stating he has already given the Jays a home town discount isn't fair. That is not the reason why he should get fair value. Out performing your contract doesn't mean you gave a home town discount to your team. If Bautista went back to the old Bautista after signing his contract the opposite argument could be made.

Except the fact that he's been underpaid relative to his performance is obviously going to be a factor in his thinking so why hide it? The question that was asked is essentially if he was willing to be underpaid relative to his performance again and his answer, understandably, is no and that he's already been doing that for five years.

Because the Blue Jays were getting such a good deal on Bautista over the years they were able to add other players at market value and improve the team and their own bottom line as a result. Whether or not he "gave them" a hometown discount is immaterial to the fact that they've enjoyed the benefits of one.

I am just making the point that the Blue Jays have not victimized Bautista by him agreeing to his previous contract. I do agree, a pay day is long over due for Bautista and relative to his peers he has earned one.

 

[Kin]

I am just making the point that the Blue Jays have not victimized Bautista by him agreeing to his previous contract. I do agree, a pay day is long over due for Bautista and relative to his peers he has earned one.

Right, and I'm saying that his answer is just in the context of someone who's been underpaid by probably 30-40% over the last five years being asked if he voluntarily wants to be underpaid again. He wasn't claiming victimhood.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Sources: Bautista's demand is five years, $150M

http://www.tsn.ca/sources-bautista-s-demand-is-five-years-150m-1.442180

Thank you for your services and bye Jose.

 

[Zee]

Sources: Bautista's demand is five years, $150M

http://www.tsn.ca/sources-bautista-s-demand-is-five-years-150m-1.442180

Thank you for your services and bye Jose.

Damn, I thought he'd top out at 100-110 million over 5 so something like 20-22 million/year.  There's no way the Jays meet that number.

 

[bustaheims]

Sources: Bautista's demand is five years, $150M

http://www.tsn.ca/sources-bautista-s-demand-is-five-years-150m-1.442180

Thank you for your services and bye Jose.

Yup. He'll be 36 this October. It doubtful he'll be able to contribute as an every fielder for another 5 years, as he's already started down that path somewhat. It's possible that he could keep up the production, but, that would make him a $30M DH . . . and, I don't see the Jays going for that.