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2026-27 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion | Official: Sundin & Chayka to lead front office

Anyone for a Klingberg reunion?

He had more lower body injury issues this year and prior to that was limited compared to what he used to do in some ways
As well, he's significantly lost skating speed compared to before his hip resurfacing
But when he played, he was able to log a lot of distance. His advanced stats were encouraging.
He was a healthy scratch a few times.
He had a decent season offensively when he played. His shot was hard. But defensively he struggled.
Raddysh, Rielly, OEL & Andrae give us 4 puck mover/offensive dmen already.
 
I expect Peksa and Prokop and Kressler to not get qualified

Everyone else will get their nominal number to extend the negotiation window, but of the bunch I only expect Andrae, Quillan, Maccelli to be in serious contention for NHL conversations. Nick Robertson's rights traded to whoever wants to try to win the Jason Robertson sweepstakes.
 
I expect Peksa and Prokop and Kressler to not get qualified

Everyone else will get their nominal number to extend the negotiation window, but of the bunch I only expect Andrae, Quillan, Maccelli to be in serious contention for NHL conversations. Nick Robertson's rights traded to whoever wants to try to win the Jason Robertson sweepstakes.

Maccelli's QO has to be 4,110,000, I wonder if they pass on that.
 
I'll assume Nylander "was his most common right winger for his first three years" is accurate.
I have not checked that. It is probably right.

Matthews didn't win a Rocket Richard in those first three seasons. Willy didn't fill that void.
In fact the 40 goal high water mark for Matthews with Willy was his lowest goal tally after Matthews hooked up with Marner who helped him get three Rocket Richard Trophies until 2024-25 when Matthews had the chronic, mysterious upper body injury.

Matthews +/- with Nylander in total for those 3 seasons was +16 (+5.3 per season)
Matthews +/- in every single season after that exceeded +16 until his injury in 2024-25 (+24.4 per season)
I don't think that is a fluke either. I think his right winger had something to do with that. You only needed one properly functioning eyeball to see it.



Herman alleged this "This is the same player that told his draft team he must play with Matthews (allegedly) and PP1 and PK1 or shit will go down."
What you have quoted above doesn't substantiate Herman's allegation. In fact, it contradicts it just like the quote I posted made by Marner contradicted it. And it supports the quote I posted about Matthews indicating he wanted to play with Marner.
Marner saying he's "happy to do it" is not a threat like "or shit will go down". Marner is just going along with whatever.
Matthews said he wanted it but conceded that he doesn't make that decision so that wasn't a threat either.




The public record I've seen so far was Marner was repeatedly ambivalent about playing with anyone in particular.
The public record I've seen so far was Matthews wanted to play with Marner but conceded it was not his decision.
The statistical records generally indicate that Matthews scored more goals, won Rocket Richards, Hart & Ted Lindsay and had a better +/- when he played with Marner.
The statistics and trophies along with Matthews expressed wishes, Marner's expressed ambivalence and Leafs coaches approval as demonstrated by what lines they put them on and the ice times they granted generally suggest it was warranted.

EDIT: Every year from 2019-20 to 2024-25, when they joined up, Matthews & Marner received Selke votes with each being a finalist one year. I don't think Nylander has ever received a Selke vote.
No one is disputing that Marner was the best winger for Matthews for the majority of his career. The term "not being able to fill a void" implies lots of different things if left open to interpretation. If your benchmark for the Marner void is Matthews' 69 goal season when he was in his mid 20s and ignore the first three years of their respective careers then no one will be able to "fill the void", especially now that Matthews has had recurring injuries since then. Is Nylander at the same level as Marner in terms of producing points with Matthews? No, obviously not, but to "not be able to fill the void" paints a picture like Nylander on Matthews' wing isn't and wasn't also successful, which is simply untrue. Did he even play with Matthews last year? If not how is "not filling the void" on Nylander if the players don't make lineup decisions?

I also don't think the main point was Marner forcing himself onto Matthews' wing, but I agree there is no direct evidence of one person necessarily forcing the coach into anything, but they definitely wanted to play together and that's fine, but that has to be acknowledged that as soon as Keefe got in he tried to make the boys happy by keeping them together almost no matter what. I'd also add that players say a lot of things publicly that just aren't true or at least obfuscate what's actually happening, and if there was any indication of the kind of pull the stars had inside the dressing room I will still never forget Keefe walking back critical comments, so there is plenty of precedent of trying to keep the stars happy even when they weren't playing well.
 
Maccelli's QO has to be 4,110,000, I wonder if they pass on that.
I'd rather overpay Mason Marchment than bring him back. Heck I'd rather have Alex Kerfoot before MM. The guy is one dimensional and he's not that good even at that dimension.
 
No one is disputing that Marner was the best winger for Matthews for the majority of his career. The term "not being able to fill a void" implies lots of different things. If your benchmark for the Marner void is Matthews' 69 goal season when he was in his mid 20s and ignore the first three years of their respective careers then no one will be able to "fill the void", especially now that Matthews has had recurring injuries since then. Is Nylander at the same level as Marner in terms of producing points with Matthews? No, obviously not, but to "not be able to fill the void" paints a picture like Nylander on Matthews' wing isn't and wasn't also successful, which is simply untrue.

I also don't think the main point was Marner forcing himself onto Matthews' wing, but I agree there is no direct evidence of one person necessarily forcing the coach into anything, but they definitely wanted to play together and that's fine, but that has to be acknowledged that as soon as Keefe got in he tried to make the boys happy by keeping them together almost no matter what. I'd also add that players say a lot of things publicly that just aren't true or at least obfuscate what's actually happening, and if there was any indication of the kind of pull the stars had inside the dressing room I will still never forget Keefe walking back critical comments, so there is plenty of precedent of trying to keep the stars happy even when they weren't playing well.

Matthews finished the last 1/4 or so of his 69-goal season in 2023-2024 with Bertuzzi and Domi as his wingers. In 2022-2023 the line of Bunting-Matthews-Nylander spent about 100 more minutes together than the line of Bunting-Matthews-Marner. Most of Matthews deployment without Marner on his wing had a higher xGoals For Per 60 Minutes than with Marner. Matthews and Marner spent time apart and both were successful at putting up points with and without each other. The combo of Matthews-Marner were the best defensive option (while still putting up very good offensive numbers).
 
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