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2026-27 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion | Official: Sundin & Chayka to lead front office

You know who wanted to draft Werenski in 2015? #FurnacevsJetSki
Jonas is for it. Luke Fox is for it. The Athletic did a rundown of 8 possible landing spots. If Werenski is looking to get on a team that’s been in and around the last 2 rounds lately, only Carolina and Dallas strike me as having what CBJ is after. Leafs seem, to me, better positioned to get him than a lot of teams on their list, though of course it depends on what the 2026 draft did to change perceptions of the Leafs trajectory. And probably whether Matthews is any good at recruiting.
 
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Jonas is for it. Luke Fox is for it. The Athletic did a rundown of 8 possible landing spots. If Werenski is looking to get on a team that’s been in and around the last 2 rounds lately, only Carolina and Dallas strike me as having what CBJ is after. Leafs seem, to me, better positioned to get him than a lot of teams on their list, though of course it depends on what the 2026 draft did to change perceptions of the Leafs trajectory. And probably whether Matthews is any good at recruiting.
I think the Leafs are best positioned to make this a hockey trade and not just a futures trade.
 
I also think Dallas is an interesting opportunity. Not to necessarily get Jason Robertson, but to facilitate Dallas keeping Jason Robertson and keeping him happy. I think trading Nick Robertson to the Stars is something that could be talked about.
 
We could just spam his socials with this and similar highlights. He’d probably hit 30+ goals with the Leafs (shooting on Ottawa and Buffalo and Detroit and Florida’s whoever and a tail end Vasilevskiy a lot) while Matthews and Nylander draw most of the attention.

(I’m not that sold on Dallas’s viability as Cup contenders, but then again I thought Ehlers was not going to help Carolina overcome Florida)
 
(I’m not that sold on Dallas’s viability as Cup contenders, but then again I thought Ehlers was not going to help Carolina overcome Florida)
Technically the jury is still out on that. Unless Florida admits that they were so scared of Ehlers they didn't even bother making the playoffs
 
Yeah, this would be great for CBJ, DAL, and Werenski.
I might think that Harley alone is enough...Harley is signed through to 2034, and Werenski only has 2 years to go.

EDIT: probably not, I didn't think their point differential was that wide...Werenski is a point a game, and Harley runs around 50 points per season.
 
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I might think that Harley alone is enough...Harley is signed through to 2034, and Werenski only has 2 years to go.

EDIT: probably not, I didn't think their point differential was that wide...Werenski is a point a game, and Harley runs around 50 points per season.

Harley plays behind Heiskanen (top option), whereas Werenski is CBJ’s near only offensive option.

If Judd Moldaver wanted to, he could play kingmaker and orchestrate the Miami Heat of the NHL in a year or two with McDavid and Matthews and Werenski all reaching FA together. Toronto would be the natural city to centre that effort. The endorsements alone for such a situation (and the favourable coverage from the owners of the team) would offset the income tax situation (better than Cali).
 
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They just miss Mitch

And to be fair, Mitch Marner is a unicorn two-way winger with well above average defense. Him and Hyman coming in at the same time with Nylander (and to a lesser degree Kapanen) meant some wingers got all the defensive development reps because that’s what the team needed then.

Nylander helped pad the stats of a lot of defense-first linemates over the years. Who’s job was the harder one on each of those plays is debatable. I’m sure they both appreciate each others gifts.

When his team asked the "unicorn two-way winger" to play center because they needed it, he delivered for much of last season. His team said they appreciated it.
 
When his team asked the "unicorn two-way winger" to play center because they needed it, he delivered for much of last season. His team said they appreciated it.
Not sure why the Leafs never found a coach who could puzzle out how to make three lines with the four forwards they had.

Among the many missed opportunities of the Leafs last decade, I think, was not running through several more coaches.
 
When his team asked the "unicorn two-way winger" to play center because they needed it, he delivered for much of last season. His team said they appreciated it.

This is the same player that told his draft team he must play with Matthews (allegedly) and PP1 and PK1 or shit will go down. It’s good that he grew out of that.

The other winger that is believed to be a terrible teammate because he doesn’t look like he tries on defense volunteered to play centre whenever it was needed (Tavares injury, super line shifts, and coaches ran out of ideas) and dragged up bottom six wingers on his lines whenever called upon.

Remember that funny season Nylander led the team in SHG
 
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This is the same player that told his draft team he must play with Matthews (allegedly) and PP1 and PK1 or shit will go down. It’s good that he grew out of that.

The other winger that is believed to be a terrible teammate because he doesn’t look like he tries on defense volunteered to play centre whenever it was needed (Tavares injury, super line shifts, and coaches ran out of ideas) and dragged up bottom six wingers on his lines whenever called upon.

Remember that funny season Nylander led the team in SHG

Maybe Marner's franchise leading 10 SHG during his time here dwarfed Nylander's 3 SHG.

It is one thing to go through the motions and "volunteer". It is another to sincerely commit, put your heart into it and do it.

There is nothing to substantiate Marner told his draft team he must play with Matthews.
Marner contradicted that allegation when he did say this as he returned from injury:
"Like I've spoken on so many times before, I don't think it really matters who you are playing with on this group .. A lot of guys on all sorts of lines that have a lot of versatility, skill, make plays so ... Obviously, Auston, Bert & Dome's line has been unbelievable for us over these past couple of weeks so its been great to see that"

But there is also this from Auston:

It would be hard to believe multiple Leafs coaches forced Matthews to play with someone he didn't want to play with year after year.
Philosophically, Matthews (+147, +2) & Marner (+145, +20) were on the same page as two way players. They block shots and finish checks, play defense responsibly, etc. Willie (+20,-2) only plays one way.
During Matthews 69 goal season, Marner assisted on 34, Nylander 17. Maybe Matthews missed Marner last year. Hopefully, McKenna can help fill the void Nylander could not.
 
Maybe Marner's franchise leading 10 SHG during his time here dwarfed Nylander's 3 SHG.

It is one thing to go through the motions and "volunteer". It is another to sincerely commit, put your heart into it and do it.

There is nothing to substantiate Marner told his draft team he must play with Matthews.
Marner contradicted that allegation when he did say this as he returned from injury:


But there is also this from Auston:

It would be hard to believe multiple Leafs coaches forced Matthews to play with someone he didn't want to play with year after year.
Philosophically, Matthews (+147, +2) & Marner (+145, +20) were on the same page as two way players. They block shots and finish checks, play defense responsibly, etc. Willie (+20,-2) only plays one way.
During Matthews 69 goal season, Marner assisted on 34, Nylander 17. Maybe Matthews missed Marner last year. Hopefully, McKenna can help fill the void Nylander could not.
Nylander played with Matthews plenty early in his career and was his most common right winger for his first three years. The implication that Willy can't "fill a void" is truly bizarre, especially considering it's not like Auston had a great year last year playing with Mitch.

"I do think it's their goal to keep Marner. I don't have any doubt. I think they know Marner and Matthews want to play with each other," Friedman said. "I believe that's been a conversation in the past where Matthews has made it very clear he wants to play with Marner and Marner has made it clear that he's happy to do it." - Elliotte Friedman

This may be as much about Matthews as Marner but the fact is they were stapled together most of the time after 2018 whether their play warranted it or not. You would be foolish to think there wasn't at least some appeasement of the stars. I think we all remember Sheldon Keefe walking back certain comments. I'm sure he did that out of the goodness of his heart.
 
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Nylander played with Matthews plenty early in his career and was his most common right winger for his first three years. The implication that Willy can't "fill a void" is truly bizarre, especially considering it's not like Auston had a great year last year playing with Mitch.

I'll assume Nylander "was his most common right winger for his first three years" is accurate.
I have not checked that. It is probably right.

Matthews didn't win a Rocket Richard in those first three seasons. Willy didn't fill that void.
In fact the 40 goal high water mark for Matthews with Willy was his lowest goal tally after Matthews hooked up with Marner who helped him get three Rocket Richard Trophies until 2024-25 when Matthews had the chronic, mysterious upper body injury.

Matthews +/- with Nylander in total for those 3 seasons was +16 (+5.3 per season)
Matthews +/- in every single season after that exceeded +16 until his injury in 2024-25 (+24.4 per season)
I don't think that is a fluke either. I think his right winger had something to do with that. You only needed one properly functioning eyeball to see it.

"I do think it's their goal to keep Marner. I don't have any doubt. I think they know Marner and Matthews want to play with each other," Friedman said. "I believe that's been a conversation in the past where Matthews has made it very clear he wants to play with Marner and Marner has made it clear that he's happy to do it." - Elliotte Friedman

Herman alleged this "This is the same player that told his draft team he must play with Matthews (allegedly) and PP1 and PK1 or shit will go down."
What you have quoted above doesn't substantiate Herman's allegation. In fact, it contradicts it just like the quote I posted made by Marner contradicted it. And it supports the quote I posted about Matthews indicating he wanted to play with Marner.
Marner saying he's "happy to do it" is not a threat like "or shit will go down". Marner is just going along with whatever.
Matthews said he wanted it but conceded that he doesn't make that decision so that wasn't a threat either.


This may be as much about Matthews as Marner but the fact is they were stapled together most of the time after 2018 whether their play warranted it or not. You would be foolish to think there wasn't at least some appeasement of the stars. I think we all remember Sheldon Keefe walking back certain comments. I'm sure he did that out of the goodness of his heart.

The public record I've seen so far was Marner was repeatedly ambivalent about playing with anyone in particular.
The public record I've seen so far was Matthews wanted to play with Marner but conceded it was not his decision.
The statistical records generally indicate that Matthews scored more goals, won Rocket Richards, Hart & Ted Lindsay and had a better +/- when he played with Marner.
The statistics and trophies along with Matthews expressed wishes, Marner's expressed ambivalence and Leafs coaches approval as demonstrated by what lines they put them on and the ice times they granted generally suggest it was warranted.

EDIT: Every year from 2019-20 to 2024-25, when they joined up, Matthews & Marner received Selke votes with each being a finalist one year. I don't think Nylander has ever received a Selke vote.
 
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