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2022 Blue Jays

What I like most about the Jays the last couple weeks is they keep coming back in games that they are down going into the 6th or 7th inning. At several points in the year, if they jays were down by a run or two going into the 6th, you could turn the game off.
 
Yes but they?re performance with runners in scoring position over the last few months has not been good. Games are much closer than they need to be and they are putting themselves in these ?having to come
Back? situations.
 
I don't trust professional sports to not have guys using the next era of drug enhancement to ignore Barry Bonds 73 home runs but Aaron Judge is having one hell of a season.  His #60 last night.

Bonds - 73
McGwire - 70
Sosa - 66
McGwire - 65
Sosa - 64
Sosa - 63
Maris - 61
Bonds - 60
Ruth - 60
 
OldTimeHockey said:
The Jays Season:

Good Game
Good Game
Good Game
Lose 11-0
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That?s not ?blue jays? specific. That?s just baseball. I think tB gave up 10 runs to the yanks but the week before had beat them
9-0.
 
L K said:
I don't trust professional sports to not have guys using the next era of drug enhancement to ignore Barry Bonds 73 home runs but Aaron Judge is having one hell of a season.  His #60 last night.

Bonds - 73
McGwire - 70
Sosa - 66
McGwire - 65
Sosa - 64
Sosa - 63
Maris - 61
Bonds - 60
Ruth - 60
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I know this is going to be quite random and there?s no way to properly discuss this, but does anyone believe Ruth could even be an MLB player against today?s pitchers?

I have a hard time believing he?d hit any home runs today. I know, different era, different context, but I don?t have this ?deep respect? for these super old timey players.
 
Joe said:
I know this is going to be quite random and there?s no way to properly discuss this, but does anyone believe Ruth could even be an MLB player against today?s pitchers?

I have a hard time believing he?d hit any home runs today. I know, different era, different context, but I don?t have this ?deep respect? for these super old timey players.
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It's a tough hypothetical to wrestle with because you could probably say it about athletes in just about any sport. If you look at Olympic times in those years they wouldn't come close to qualifying for the Olympics today.

Ruth was a better athlete than people give him credit for though. A lot of the image around him was made later in his career when he'd put on weight but in his prime he was just a big, strong dude. He had a bunch of years with 10+ triples which he couldn't have done if he was the shambling oaf people sometimes present him as.
 
Joe said:
L K said:
I don't trust professional sports to not have guys using the next era of drug enhancement to ignore Barry Bonds 73 home runs but Aaron Judge is having one hell of a season.  His #60 last night.

Bonds - 73
McGwire - 70
Sosa - 66
McGwire - 65
Sosa - 64
Sosa - 63
Maris - 61
Bonds - 60
Ruth - 60
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I know this is going to be quite random and there?s no way to properly discuss this, but does anyone believe Ruth could even be an MLB player against today?s pitchers?

I have a hard time believing he?d hit any home runs today. I know, different era, different context, but I don?t have this ?deep respect? for these super old timey players.
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It never made sense to me to judge old players as if we should just ignore that they would have all the intrinsic gifts they had coupled with today's training and discipline. If any player today went back in time at birth to 100yrs ago would they become an athlete worth anything at that time? Who knows.

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Bender said:
It never made sense to me to judge old players as if we should just ignore that they would have all the intrinsic gifts they had coupled with today's training and discipline. If any player today went back in time at birth to 100yrs ago would they become an athlete worth anything at that time? Who knows.
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Exactly. Ruth, with today's training regimens and advancements, might have been an absolute beast out there - assuming he had the discipline to stick to it (he was known to not have the healthiest lifestyle by today's standards, after all). He was just so absurdly dominant in his era that it's hard to fathom today. To put things in context, Aaron Judge's astronomical 215 OPS+ this season would only have been the 9th best of Ruth's career!
 
Nik said:
Joe said:
I know this is going to be quite random and there?s no way to properly discuss this, but does anyone believe Ruth could even be an MLB player against today?s pitchers?

I have a hard time believing he?d hit any home runs today. I know, different era, different context, but I don?t have this ?deep respect? for these super old timey players.
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It's a tough hypothetical to wrestle with because you could probably say it about athletes in just about any sport. If you look at Olympic times in those years they wouldn't come close to qualifying for the Olympics today.

Ruth was a better athlete than people give him credit for though. A lot of the image around him was made later in his career when he'd put on weight but in his prime he was just a big, strong dude. He had a bunch of years with 10+ triples which he couldn't have done if he was the shambling oaf people sometimes present him as.
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Absolutely fair. And I acknowledge that this is almost impossible to discuss. But I wasn?t coming from the angle that he was this out of shape oaf, it was more a commentary on the quality of pitchers back then.

You put judge in 1920s and he probably hits 120 homeruns put Ruth in 2020 mlb and he?s lucky to catch up with a pitch.

In my mind anyway.
 
On one hand pitchers doctored the ball to hell so balls would have really weird flight paths.  That being said when I watch highlights of Gaylord Perry who threw a lot of spitballs and compare that to some of the mid 90s sliders from today...the movement today is far more dramatic while also having more velocity.

I don't doubt that Ruth would still be a prolific hitter in todays game but if you just took Ruth from his era and popped him into the 2022 season without any modification to his training I think he wouldn't be anywhere near the hitter.  That's just an unfair scenario though because you need to afford Ruth modern tech, modern training and that completely changes the kind of hitter he would be.
 
It was dreadful. Jays were very flat I felt. Never really looked like getting anything done.
 
Arn said:
It was dreadful. Jays were very flat I felt. Never really looked like getting anything done.
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The frustration I felt reminded me of another Toronto team that I follow.
 
Frank E said:
Arn said:
It was dreadful. Jays were very flat I felt. Never really looked like getting anything done.
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The frustration I felt reminded me of another Toronto team that I follow.
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I actually switched it off around the 7th innings. It was just that obvious they weren?t getting anything done.

Rogers centre can be amazing when it gets rowdy, but Seattle killed that immediately then the Jays never really did anything to get them going again.
 
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