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2022 Blue Jays

Nik said:
bustaheims said:
Nik said:
Like you say Pop has control and Bass has a team option for 2023 so neither guy is strictly a rental. Still not ideal to trade a top 100 prospect for bullpen guys but Groshans seems a bit injury prone so it's probably not a huge risk.
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Yup, and with the year he's having, Groshans won't be near any top 100 lists next season. Doesn't feel great at the moment, but hopefully, it's a case of the team recognizing his value isn't going to recover. 5 years of control on Pop could be worth it in the end.
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You also have to think that this is maybe a sign that they're pretty confident about keeping Chapman which would mean Groshans doesn't have a great path to the majors anyway.
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I kind of hope so.  Seattle paid a lot starting off trade deadline season but overall the prices haven?t really been in favour of the sellers.  I think the Jays are selling off Groshans before his value drops further but at the same time it?s also a bit of an indictment on the drafting if their most valued prospects are flaming out.  The lack of pitching prospects and outfield prospects is why they couldn?t be serious players for Soto who I think the Padres kind of got pretty cheap given just how good he has been so far in his career

Jays got outbid by the Phillies for Syndergaard. 

Really mediocre deadline from Atkins/Shapiro to not bolster a pretty mediocre starting rotation or get a left handed bat for the bench?.especially with Springer?s being in question.
 
https://twitter.com/byrobertmurray/status/1554585603370455040

Ross Stripling type with decent numbers. Good bullpen depth.
 
Apparently the Jays are getting Whit Merrifield? I guess that means he's open to vaccinations.
 
Nik said:
Apparently the Jays are getting Whit Merrifield? I guess that means he's open to vaccinations.
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That?s an interesting one. He?s having a down year, but maybe a playoff race will be enough to help him get his bat back.

EDIT: for Samad Taylor and Max Castillo. Taylor is no loss. Castillo has potential to be a decent swing man type. No big losses there, really.
 
bustaheims said:
https://twitter.com/byrobertmurray/status/1554585603370455040

Ross Stripling type with decent numbers. Good bullpen depth.
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I don?t hate the addition but I don?t like that we gave up Nick Frasso
 
So Merrifield isn?t even vaccinated and the Jays are going to leave it up to him to decide whether he wants to or not.  What a stupid trade. Even if he gets vaccinated he?s already established he isn?t a team player.  My job bias is coming out but I wouldn?t want him in my clubhouse.
 
You sure can tell that Rogers owns Sportsnet when looking at the headlines for yesterday's trade deadline acquisitions by the Rogers Blue Jays.
 
L K said:
I don?t hate the addition but I don?t like that we gave up Nick Frasso
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So I don't like that we gave up Frasso either but worth noting that in addition to White, the Jays also got IF prospect Alex De Jesus from the Dodgers in the deal. He's young but between A and High A ball this year he's hitting pretty well and is a legit prospect who MLB now has as the Jay's #8 prospect.

Honestly, if you look at Groshans for De Jesus as a pretty even swap then Frasso was the only prospect of real significance the Jays moved. Meanwhile they added some pretty valuable pieces. It wasn't the day I think any of us would have said was ideal but I think the Jays added in some key areas while avoiding paying for rentals or giving up any of their high value prospects.
 
Nik said:
So I don't like that we gave up Frasso either but worth noting that in addition to White, the Jays also got IF prospect Alex De Jesus from the Dodgers in the deal. He's young but between A and High A ball this year he's hitting pretty well and is a legit prospect who MLB now has as the Jay's #8 prospect.

Honestly, if you look at Groshans for De Jesus as a pretty even swap then Frasso was the only prospect of real significance the Jays moved. Meanwhile they added some pretty valuable pieces. It wasn't the day I think any of us would have said was ideal but I think the Jays added in some key areas while avoiding paying for rentals or giving up any of their high value prospects.
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That's the thing that stood out for me - none of the players the Jays acquired are pure rentals. They all have potential to be back next season. that helps balance out some of the acquisition costs for me.
 
Nik said:
L K said:
I don?t hate the addition but I don?t like that we gave up Nick Frasso
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So I don't like that we gave up Frasso either but worth noting that in addition to White, the Jays also got IF prospect Alex De Jesus from the Dodgers in the deal. He's young but between A and High A ball this year he's hitting pretty well and is a legit prospect who MLB now has as the Jay's #8 prospect.

Honestly, if you look at Groshans for De Jesus as a pretty even swap then Frasso was the only prospect of real significance the Jays moved. Meanwhile they added some pretty valuable pieces. It wasn't the day I think any of us would have said was ideal but I think the Jays added in some key areas while avoiding paying for rentals or giving up any of their high value prospects.
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This is pretty much how I saw it. And as for Frasso, maybe I'm missing something here but he turns 24 soon and is still pitching in high A-ball; what is the fixation with what (at least to my inexperienced eyes) looks to be an iffy, if not lower ceiling, prospect?
 
Andy said:
This is pretty much how I saw it. And as for Frasso, maybe I'm missing something here but he turns 24 soon and is still pitching in high A-ball; what is the fixation with what (at least to my inexperienced eyes) looks to be an iffy, if not lower ceiling, prospect?
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So it's a fair question but I think it's a couple of things. One, while you're right he's not young he's only pitched a little bit in the pros after coming back from TJ surgery and any time a guy has been lights out without struggling in the minors you wonder if he can move quickly through the system. Also it's just his potential as exactly the kind of player the Jays were looking for yesterday, a high value bullpen arm. So when you add the numbers and the stuff and the fact that he's relatively inexperienced in pro ball I do think he's an exciting prospect.

That said MLB now has him as the #26 Dodgers prospect so I may be a little dazzled just by the ridiculousness of the numbers he's putting up this year.
 
Nik said:
That said MLB now has him as the #26 Dodgers prospect so I may be a little dazzled just by the ridiculousness of the numbers he's putting up this year.
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I think there?s some hedging there, as evaluators need to see how well he holds up against more developed/more mature hitters. His numbers in A ball leap of the page, for sure, but I get the hesitation to put too much stock in them. If he was doing that in the upper minors, he?d be untouchable.

There?s a lot of unknowns with him right now.
 
Here's your LHB:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/blue-jays-signing-veteran-outfielder-jackie-bradley-jr/

 
Frank E said:
Here's your LHB:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/blue-jays-signing-veteran-outfielder-jackie-bradley-jr/
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I don't know the rules, is he eligible to play in the playoffs? Not that I think he'll be much of a difference maker.

EDIT: Googled it, looks like yep!
 
Jays are slumping pretty bad right now.  Now in the 3rd wildcard (tied with Tampa) and only 1.5 games up on the Orioles. 

Kikuchi has probably started his last game of the season (hopefully).
 
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