2022 Blue Jays

[Nik]

Apparently nobody from the opening day roster is included. My guess is Kevin Smith, Otto Lopez(Groshans?) and maybe someone like CJ Van Eyk. I think this is maybe a sign that Ramirez would have cost at least one of Moreno or Martinez and the Jays weren't willing to go there.

 

[Nik]

Kyle Schwarber to the Phillies, another guy the Jays were apparently in on to try and add some LH bats.

 

[bustaheims]

Great addition, depending on cost. Jays don't need him to be a huge offensive contributor - as long as he's an average to above average bat with plus defence, he represents a big upgrade for the roster.

Would have liked to see the team add a big LH bat instead, but this is still a potentially great move - and doesn't necessarily rule out potentially bringing in a LH outfielder or an upgrade elsewhere.

 

[Nik]

It's Chapman for Smith, Hoglund, Zach Logue and Kirby Snead.

That's...not a bad deal at all. The Jays #4, #9 and #27 prospects. Hoglund is the best of the bunch and our top pitching prospect(assuming we're not including Pearson) but he's not a top 100 guy and is still a few years away at least. Smith didn't have a spot so that's fine...hard not to read this as a major win.

 

[bustaheims]

Losing Hoglund hurts some. Logue/Snead likely have MLB back of the rotation/bullpen futures, which are replaceable, but decent pickups for the A's. Smith was pushed out by this deal, and isn't likely to be more than a utility guy any way. Definitely a win.

 

[Arn]

I feel like I'm going to succumb to giving mlb.tv a pile of money again soon now.

This team was very watchable last year, and I feel like it's probably improved on that...

 

[L K]

I liked Hoglund and our pitching prospects are kind of sparse so that isn't great but Smith/Logue/Snead is really nothing to be upset about losing. 

Kevin Smith is up and down with his MiLB production and he's log jammed behind Bo/Biggio/Chapman on the infield.

The Jays do need a LHB in a bad way.

1. Springer CF - RHB
2. Bichette SS - RHB
3. Guerrero 1B - RHB
4. Hernandez RF - RHB
5. Gurriel LF - RHB
6. Chapman 3B - RHB
7. Grichuk DH - RHB
8. Biggio 2B - LHB
9. Jansen C - RHB

Bench: Kirk (RHB), Espinal (RHB)

Gosuke Katoh ??? LHB
Reese McGuire ??? LHB
Josh Palacios ??? LHB

 

[Nik]

I liked Hoglund and our pitching prospects are kind of sparse so that isn't great

I think there are two things to keep in mind on that front. 1) The Jays do have Manoah, Berrios and Gausman locked up longterm so even if Pearson never becomes anything, there's time to add to the pitching depth in the system and 2) Because they didn't have to add Kirk or Groshans or even someone like Lopez in this deal, if they really need more pitching they still have the chips to make that happen.

The Jays do need a LHB in a bad way.

People are throwing Joey Vottos name out there and while not likely(I don't think he'd wave his NTC) it's not a crazy notion. Votto has two years left at 25 per but if you could work Grichuk into the deal it's down right reasonable.

 

[Joe S.]

Not that I?m advocating for Votto but I really think he could be had for nothing in return.

The Chapman trade is great. It?s quite reminiscent of the Donaldson trade.

 

[bustaheims]

If the Jays can move Grichuk, I think they're still in the Freeman conversation. You can rotate him and Guerrero between 1B and DH. I don't think it's likely, but its definitely workable.

A LH 4th outfielder seems like a no-brainer right now.

 

[L K]

I liked Hoglund and our pitching prospects are kind of sparse so that isn't great

I think there are two things to keep in mind on that front. 1) The Jays do have Manoah, Berrios and Gausman locked up longterm so even if Pearson never becomes anything, there's time to add to the pitching depth in the system and 2) Because they didn't have to add Kirk or Groshans or even someone like Lopez in this deal, if they really need more pitching they still have the chips to make that happen.

The Jays do need a LHB in a bad way.

People are throwing Joey Vottos name out there and while not likely(I don't think he'd wave his NTC) it's not a crazy notion. Votto has two years left at 25 per but if you could work Grichuk into the deal it's down right reasonable.

Schwarber would have been perfect for that role.  DH/LF could probably do spot days at 1B but the Phillies got him.

Michael Conforto is still on the market.  LHB and plays the outfield.  Had a terrible first half last year but had good numbers the previous few years and had an ok post-ASB: .252/.347/.445/.792

Not a good fielder if he plays CF but is decent in RF and could still do spot starts to give Springer days off. 

You would have to move Grichuk in that scenario and that could be tough I guess.

 

[Joe S.]

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1504114849906933767?t=NmHbp64sO3eqKFiBK-d5gw&s=08

I doubt this will happen - but can you imagine if it did? This team would be ridiculous.

Yankees fans on Twitter are complaining that the Jays team is too stacked and it?s unfair that they have to compete in the same
Division as Toronto Tampa and Boston? YANKEES FANS! That cracked me up.

 

[Nik]

I doubt this will happen - but can you imagine if it did? This team would be ridiculous.

Who knows if it's accurate but apparently Buck Martinez was saying that Cleveland was asking for Manoah + Moreno for Ramirez so...no thanks.

 

[dappleganger]

I doubt this will happen - but can you imagine if it did? This team would be ridiculous.

Who knows if it's accurate but apparently Buck Martinez was saying that Cleveland was asking for Manoah + Moreno for Ramirez so...no thanks.

Enjoy Pearson + Moreno Guardians.  : ;D

 

[bustaheims]

I doubt this will happen - but can you imagine if it did? This team would be ridiculous.

Who knows if it's accurate but apparently Buck Martinez was saying that Cleveland was asking for Manoah + Moreno for Ramirez so...no thanks.

I'd do Kirk + Pearson (I'm no longer convinced he'll be a starter at the MLB level) and some other pieces, but Manoah and Moreno are basically non-starters.

 

[Joe S.]

I doubt this will happen - but can you imagine if it did? This team would be ridiculous.

Who knows if it's accurate but apparently Buck Martinez was saying that Cleveland was asking for Manoah + Moreno for Ramirez so...no thanks.

I'd do Kirk + Pearson (I'm no longer convinced he'll be a starter at the MLB level) and some other pieces, but Manoah and Moreno are basically non-starters.

Kirk is almost hilariously overrated. I can?t imagine any mlb team sees any value in him other than as a throw in.

 

[dappleganger]

I doubt this will happen - but can you imagine if it did? This team would be ridiculous.

Who knows if it's accurate but apparently Buck Martinez was saying that Cleveland was asking for Manoah + Moreno for Ramirez so...no thanks.

I'd do Kirk + Pearson (I'm no longer convinced he'll be a starter at the MLB level) and some other pieces, but Manoah and Moreno are basically non-starters.

Kirk is almost hilariously overrated. I can?t imagine any mlb team sees any value in him other than as a throw in.

I love Kirk's bat. I'd actually be upset if he's dealt. Prospects are such a crap shoot, shades of d'Arnaud in trading away Moreno for me. Yes, he might be great starting catcher for the next 10 years for the Guardians but the Jays would be getting Jose Freakin' Ramirez. Gotta give up something to get something. It'd be such a crazy good fit for the team, or trade for Ketel Marte instead.  ;D

 

[Nik]

I doubt this will happen - but can you imagine if it did? This team would be ridiculous.

Who knows if it's accurate but apparently Buck Martinez was saying that Cleveland was asking for Manoah + Moreno for Ramirez so...no thanks.

I'd do Kirk + Pearson (I'm no longer convinced he'll be a starter at the MLB level) and some other pieces, but Manoah and Moreno are basically non-starters.

That's the thing for me. It's not even so much that it's a bad ask from Cleveland(but it is) but it's the sort of thing you ask for when you're not really interested in trading a guy at all. Like, Lindor was arguably more valuable and they didn't get anything close to that for him.

 

[Nik]

Kirk is almost hilariously overrated. I can?t imagine any mlb team sees any value in him other than as a throw in.

Baseball America had him as the #70 prospect in Baseball last season and Baseball Prospectus had him at #101. His hitting numbers in the minors were terrific and in limited time last year he was an above league average bat at a premium position.

I think it's pretty safe to say he's fairly valuable.

 

[Joe S.]

Kirk is almost hilariously overrated. I can?t imagine any mlb team sees any value in him other than as a throw in.

Baseball America had him as the #70 prospect in Baseball last season and Baseball Prospectus had him at #101. His hitting numbers in the minors were terrific and in limited time last year he was an above league average bat at a premium position.

I think it's pretty safe to say he's fairly valuable.

He?s pretty much a negative when he?s on base. I don?t like him. If they can spin him into something that?s great but I won?t miss him.