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Re: Dermott Re-Signs
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2020, 08:45:51 PM »
I can never remember what "wins over replacement" (that's what WAR is, right?) measures, but what I glean from this table is Rielly is the third most terrible defenseman in the league.  8) :o

Wins Above Replacement. Composite score of weighted stats as they pertain to contributions to wins.

Rielly had a rough year by his standards; starting the year quite injured and playing high leverage situations having to babysit Barrie or Ceci will do that.
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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2020, 09:26:20 PM »
I still have hope that Dermott can transition into a #3 or 4 Defensemen. To me this is a good signing. As mentioned above, perhaps less than expected.

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« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2020, 12:19:11 AM »
That?s pretty slick how they rounded out the roster while staying under the cap.   Colour me impressed

I agree. If they had of dumped Kerfoot instead of Johnsson I'd be really happy, but maybe Anderson will be a good fit.

So are you just happy then? I'm glad they kept Kerfoot over AJ. I think he has more upside and is a lot better defensively. Good signing though with Dermott. Would rather have hom as a 7th then Marincin.

I'd have kept Kerfoot because he can play centre.

Can he though? Dude won 32.6% of his draws in the playoffs.

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« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2020, 09:30:22 AM »
Can't complain about the number, so I'll just complain about the term.

A year too short for my liking, but it looks as though he doesn't have any arbitration rights next off-season.

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« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2020, 10:18:54 AM »
Can't complain about the number, so I'll just complain about the term.

A year too short for my liking, but it looks as though he doesn't have any arbitration rights next off-season.

Besides that this leaves room for Getzlaf now.


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« Reply #35 on: October 24, 2020, 10:35:20 AM »
Can't complain about the number, so I'll just complain about the term.

A year too short for my liking, but it looks as though he doesn't have any arbitration rights next off-season.

Besides that this leaves room for Getzlaf now.

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« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2020, 10:43:04 AM »
I?m just trying to re-establish my with-it-ness.

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« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2020, 10:56:39 AM »
Yeah, I think that's where I'm coming from. This deal for Dermott seems more borne out of cap compliance than it does anything else; it's hard to look at the 2 yr deal Engvall at the same age was given last year on a relatively short sample, and feel good about how Dermott got forced into a "show me" deal.

Sure but I think people need to come around on the fact that this is what a hard cap is meant to do. Even if people think the Marner or Matthews or Nylander contracts are overpayments the cap isn't designed to only be difficult to manage if you slightly overpay stars. Any good team that pays their better players some semblance of market value will have to make moves that are unmistakably going to be seen as "bad hockey moves" in order to be cap compliant.

NFL fans know that teams have to cut good, in their prime players and replace them with cheap younger alternatives through no fault of their own. The way the cap stagnated this year just accelerated that process for some teams like the Leafs who haven't had the playoff success that, to date, we would associate with having cap problems.
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« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2020, 11:08:17 AM »
That?s pretty slick how they rounded out the roster while staying under the cap.   Colour me impressed

I agree. If they had of dumped Kerfoot instead of Johnsson I'd be really happy, but maybe Anderson will be a good fit.

So are you just happy then? I'm glad they kept Kerfoot over AJ. I think he has more upside and is a lot better defensively. Good signing though with Dermott. Would rather have hom as a 7th then Marincin.

I'd have kept Kerfoot because he can play centre.

Can he though? Dude won 32.6% of his draws in the playoffs.


Yes?

He is close to 50% in his carreer (1300+ face offs), why would you use a sample of 45 faceoffs?
Johnsson has taken under 30 total faceoffs in his carreer.

Besidess, there is more to centre than face offs.

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Re: Dermott Re-Signs
« Reply #39 on: October 24, 2020, 12:18:57 PM »
I can never remember what "wins over replacement" (that's what WAR is, right?) measures, but what I glean from this table is Rielly is the third most terrible defenseman in the league.  8) :o

Wins Above Replacement. Composite score of weighted stats as they pertain to contributions to wins.

Rielly had a rough year by his standards; starting the year quite injured and playing high leverage situations having to babysit Barrie or Ceci will do that.

Thanks herman ? you know this stuff backwards and forwards, if you could only have 3 advanced stats to show a player's (let's limit it to skaters) value what would they be?

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« Reply #40 on: October 24, 2020, 12:36:37 PM »
another example of the bloody salary cap... the discussion about paycheques....  >:(
Ya when I was a kid, I didn't care if Tim Horton was making $25.00 a game or Dave Keon was making $75 a game, I just didn't care.  ;)
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« Reply #41 on: October 24, 2020, 01:13:14 PM »

Let me go find Robert Reichel and tell him people have started talking about player salaries.
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« Reply #42 on: October 24, 2020, 01:28:56 PM »

Let me go find Robert Reichel and tell him people have started talking about player salaries.

It is depressing to think back to the non cap era and fans complaining about salaries.

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« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2020, 01:36:46 PM »
Can't complain about the number, so I'll just complain about the term.

A year too short for my liking, but it looks as though he doesn't have any arbitration rights next off-season.
Dermott signed his qualifying offer sheet so it's good for the Leafs, this season. I'm just guessing but I think Dubas offered him something just over 1 mill per for 2 years. Either way, the Leafs don't have to protect him in next year's expansion draft and Dermott has a year to prove himself.
Also, from what I can gather, Dermott has ARB rights after next season as this will be his 4th year of pro hockey and he signed his ELC in the 19-20 year old range.
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« Reply #44 on: October 24, 2020, 01:39:50 PM »
That?s pretty slick how they rounded out the roster while staying under the cap.   Colour me impressed

I agree. If they had of dumped Kerfoot instead of Johnsson I'd be really happy, but maybe Anderson will be a good fit.

So are you just happy then? I'm glad they kept Kerfoot over AJ. I think he has more upside and is a lot better defensively. Good signing though with Dermott. Would rather have hom as a 7th then Marincin.

I'd have kept Kerfoot because he can play centre.

Can he though? Dude won 32.6% of his draws in the playoffs.


Yes?

He is close to 50% in his carreer (1300+ face offs), why would you use a sample of 45 faceoffs?
Johnsson has taken under 30 total faceoffs in his carreer.

Besidess, there is more to centre than face offs.
Malholtra should help him out in the dot.