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Re: What to do with JVR
« Reply #90 on: April 25, 2018, 11:00:08 PM »
I don't think they should re-sign him but he did score 3 PP goals in the series, which is more than 34 & 29 did.  So best wishes James, you were a great trade and all the best wherever you land.

Which amounts to... what exactly? We go out in 5 rather than 6? I don't care a fig.


It just reeked of "Hey, steps 1 and 2 of the project are going well, that means we can skip steps 3 and 4, right?"

No, you can't skip like so, and it's your job to see that and act accordingly! Otherwise we could just let sickbeast or whoever run the damned franchise. So... Agreed. And on your point -- somewhere up there -- that it was an indecisive, cowardly move constrained by common sense.
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« Reply #91 on: April 25, 2018, 11:08:54 PM »
I don't think they should re-sign him but he did score 3 PP goals in the series, which is more than 34 & 29 did.  So best wishes James, you were a great trade and all the best wherever you land.

Which amounts to... what exactly? We go out in 5 rather than 6? I don't care a fig.


It just reeked of "Hey, steps 1 and 2 of the project are going well, that means we can skip steps 3 and 4, right?"

No, you can't skip like so, and it's your job to see that and act accordingly! Otherwise we could just let sickbeast or whoever run the damned franchise. So... Agreed. And on your point -- somewhere up there -- that it was an indecisive, cowardly move constrained by common sense.

Just saying in the blame queue he's about 2/3ds of the way back.

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« Reply #92 on: April 25, 2018, 11:09:30 PM »
Yeah, I mean JVR is just terrible 5v5. You don't pay a crap ton for a one dimensional PP specialist.
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Re: What to do with JVR
« Reply #93 on: April 25, 2018, 11:15:08 PM »
Just saying in the blame queue he's about 2/3ds of the way back.

My bringing the thread back to life has nothing to do with blame for the outcome of the Boston series. Rather, has to do with the inability of management to apprehend the situation their team was in, which has been clear to a lot of us for months now.

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Re: What to do with JVR
« Reply #94 on: April 25, 2018, 11:16:51 PM »

Yeah, I mean, I've probably said it a billion times but he should have been traded because he had value, not because he didn't. That he showed some of that value in the series is not a counter-point.
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Re: What to do with JVR
« Reply #95 on: April 25, 2018, 11:17:36 PM »
Just saying in the blame queue he's about 2/3ds of the way back.

My bringing the thread back to life has nothing to do with blame for the outcome of the Boston series. Rather, has to do with the inability of management to apprehend the situation their team was in, which has been clear to a lot of us for months now.
I think anyone controlling the team based on analytics and underlying numbers would've been very worried about the Leafs' lack of possession and getting consistently outshot as signs of a quick playoff exit.
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Re: What to do with JVR
« Reply #96 on: April 25, 2018, 11:33:42 PM »
Say goodbye to JVR. 1 dimensional player. Leo needs to go to..

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Re: What to do with JVR
« Reply #97 on: April 25, 2018, 11:47:53 PM »
Just saying in the blame queue he's about 2/3ds of the way back.

My bringing the thread back to life has nothing to do with blame for the outcome of the Boston series. Rather, has to do with the inability of management to apprehend the situation their team was in, which has been clear to a lot of us for months now.

Right, and as I said I agree with you.

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Re: What to do with JVR
« Reply #98 on: April 26, 2018, 08:11:19 AM »
So game 7 collapse against Boston, after a gutsy comeback try, and the collapse was predicted by stats that showed the Leafs were playing over their heads?

Did I fall through a portal to 2013?

They better not go out and throw money at Rick Nash because "he brings the element they need".  I hope they don't go in to the offseason thinking they are closer than they are.
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« Reply #99 on: April 26, 2018, 08:51:32 AM »
I'm actually OK with them bringing in Nash, assuming Bozak, Komarov, and JvR are gone. We need someone to play.

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« Reply #100 on: April 26, 2018, 08:57:23 AM »
I'm actually OK with them bringing in Nash, assuming Bozak, Komarov, and JvR are gone. We need someone to play.

I think it reeks of an old school thinking move similar to the David Clarkson signing. 

Rick Nash did not look good during the series.  Adding a player that did not look good during the series to an existing cast of players that did not look good during the series will not result in an improvement.
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Re: What to do with JVR
« Reply #101 on: April 26, 2018, 09:15:34 AM »
I'm actually OK with them bringing in Nash, assuming Bozak, Komarov, and JvR are gone. We need someone to play.

I think it reeks of an old school thinking move similar to the David Clarkson signing. 

Rick Nash did not look good during the series.  Adding a player that did not look good during the series to an existing cast of players that did not look good during the series will not result in an improvement.

I disagree about Nash not looking good. I thought his size really gave our defence difficulties. He didn't score but I think he had a lot of pressure while he was out there. I think he'd be an upgrade on Hyman alongside Matthews.

You just have to realize that he's turning 34 years old and isn't a legitimate 1st line winger anymore so his contract has to reflect that. I wouldn't give him 6x6 or anything but a 3 year deal at $5mil? I'd think about it. I really have no idea what other teams will be offering him though, and Nash's history suggests that he wouldn't be very interested in playing in Toronto anyway.

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Re: What to do with JVR
« Reply #102 on: April 26, 2018, 09:47:47 AM »
I'm actually OK with them bringing in Nash, assuming Bozak, Komarov, and JvR are gone. We need someone to play.

I think it reeks of an old school thinking move similar to the David Clarkson signing. 

Rick Nash did not look good during the series.  Adding a player that did not look good during the series to an existing cast of players that did not look good during the series will not result in an improvement.

I disagree about Nash not looking good. I thought his size really gave our defence difficulties. He didn't score but I think he had a lot of pressure while he was out there. I think he'd be an upgrade on Hyman alongside Matthews.

You just have to realize that he's turning 34 years old and isn't a legitimate 1st line winger anymore so his contract has to reflect that. I wouldn't give him 6x6 or anything but a 3 year deal at $5mil? I'd think about it. I really have no idea what other teams will be offering him though, and Nash's history suggests that he wouldn't be very interested in playing in Toronto anyway.
I have never seen such a big, strong guy fall so much getting run into by small players. Nylander runs into him and he falls trying to draw a penalty, Bozak hits him and he falls, draws and penalty and like a moron gets up and cross checks him in the face, negating the power play in a (still) close game. I think his best days are way past him and I agree Carlton I don't think he has any desire to play in TO.

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Re: What to do with JVR
« Reply #103 on: April 26, 2018, 11:08:27 AM »
Please, no Rick Nash. Kapanen, Johnsson, and Brown would all out produce him given similar ice time and deployment.

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Re: What to do with JVR
« Reply #104 on: April 26, 2018, 11:37:43 AM »
Rick Nash isn't what the Leafs need, he's well past his prime

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