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Offline Omallley

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Osgood hangs 'em up
« on: July 19, 2011, 01:30:30 PM »
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17 seasons, 401 wins. Not a bad career.

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Re: Osgood hangs 'em up
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2011, 01:32:16 PM »

I'll definitely always remember him for being a human being who played in goal for the Detroit Red Wings.
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2011, 01:35:52 PM »
I've argued this before but there is a real chance he get to the HOF though it would clearly be on a lot of guy's backs.

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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2011, 01:38:10 PM »
Osgood is an interesting case. His win total is impressive and he has 3 Stanley Cup rings, so, there will be people touting him as a HHOF candidate, but, his other numbers just aren't all that impressive. A career .905 Sv% is rather pedestrian for the era he played in, so is his career GAA of 2.49. I mean, they're good numbers, but that's about it. He's been very successful for being a really rather ordinary goalie.
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2011, 01:44:46 PM »
Osgood is an interesting case. His win total is impressive and he has 3 Stanley Cup rings, so, there will be people touting him as a HHOF candidate, but, his other numbers just aren't all that impressive. A career .905 Sv% is rather pedestrian for the era he played in, so is his career GAA of 2.49. I mean, they're good numbers, but that's about it. He's been very successful for being a really rather ordinary goalie.

My thoughts more or less. If there's a chance he makes it into the HOF it only really speaks poorly of the selection committee.
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2011, 02:16:55 PM »
Sure, his stats aren't like Roy/Brodeur/Hasek, but you can't deny that during the time he spent in the NHL, he was one of the top goalies, especially in the playoffs.

Congrats a great career Osgood!

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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2011, 02:23:46 PM »
Sure, his stats aren't like Roy/Brodeur/Hasek, but you can't deny that during the time he spent in the NHL, he was one of the top goalies, especially in the playoffs.

Congrats a great career Osgood!

I can very easily deny that. In fact, that's exactly what I'm doing. He was one of most successful goalies, but at no point would I ever have considered him one of the top goalies. He had a couple pretty good playoff runs behind some incredibly talented rosters, but, I'm not sure there was ever a series were you could walk away saying he won it for the Red Wings. Like I said before, a very good career for a very ordinary goalie.
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2011, 02:31:18 PM »
Good enough to keep bring back and have success with but ultimately, never quite good enough that you wern't looking for something else while he was there. Chris Osgood - the McRib of NHL goalies.

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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2011, 02:38:58 PM »
Sure, his stats aren't like Roy/Brodeur/Hasek, but you can't deny that during the time he spent in the NHL, he was one of the top goalies, especially in the playoffs.

It's actually pretty easy to deny that because during most of his career the top NHL goalies were Roy/Belfour/Hasek.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2011, 02:53:35 PM »
Where does 401 wins rank on the alltime list?  10?

He's in.  He has to be.  To deny him the HOF means giving more weight to completely subjective judgments about how much the Wings' success was due to him and how much to the rest of the roster than to the only stat that really matters: the W.  Since the goalie is the most important position on any team, in Osgood's case you can put up all the arguments you want, but at bottom it's indefensible to privilege a particular opinion (which I happen to share, BTW) over his W-L record.  He won the games, he won the rings.  He's in.

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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2011, 03:07:27 PM »
Like I said before, a very good career for a very ordinary goalie.

ditto

I think his poor seasons away from the Wings (Isles, Blues) help to underscore that some.

I also think the Detroit feeling the need to bring in goalies like Vernon, Hasek & Cujo also helps make the point that they did not feel he was one of the top goalies in the league during his career.

Only one second team All Star nomination and only winning the Jennings with Hasek & Vernon doesn't help his cause either.

If I had to choose four goalies between Cujo, Vernon, Barrasso, Richter or Osgood, Osgood would be the odd man out without any hesitation. All of those guys would require some debate before going to the Hall of Fame. Naturally, his career would also be behind Roy, Belfour & Hasek.

If one wanted to go back in time, I'd argue someone like Rogatien Vachon was a better goalie.

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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2011, 03:12:07 PM »
Since the goalie is the most important position on any team, in Osgood's case you can put up all the arguments you want, but at bottom it's indefensible to privilege a particular opinion (which I happen to share, BTW) over his W-L record.  He won the games, he won the rings.  He's in.

No, I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. That's saying that nothing matters, not save percentage, not GAA, not end of year awards or all-star selections or actually trying to examine his impact on the teams he played on(Osgood did not lead his non-Wings teams to much success and the Wings had/have success without him) compared to a ridiculously flawed statistic like wins.
I wish to hell I’d never said "Winning isn’t everything it’s the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you’ve won.
- Vince Lombardi

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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2011, 03:18:23 PM »
Since the goalie is the most important position on any team, in Osgood's case you can put up all the arguments you want, but at bottom it's indefensible to privilege a particular opinion (which I happen to share, BTW) over his W-L record.  He won the games, he won the rings.  He's in.

No, I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. That's saying that nothing matters, not save percentage, not GAA, not end of year awards or all-star selections or actually trying to examine his impact on the teams he played on(Osgood did not lead his non-Wings teams to much success and the Wings had/have success without him) compared to a ridiculously flawed statistic like wins.

Now that made me laugh out loud.

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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2011, 03:19:33 PM »
Now that made me laugh out loud.

Because you're the one remaining person who thinks Andrew Raycroft had the greatest goaltending season in Maple Leafs history?
I wish to hell I’d never said "Winning isn’t everything it’s the only thing". What I believe is, if you go out on a football field, or any endeavour in life, and you leave every fibre of what you have on the field, then you’ve won.
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2011, 03:25:06 PM »
Now that made me laugh out loud.

Because you're the one remaining person who thinks Andrew Raycroft had the greatest goaltending season in Maple Leafs history?

Nice deke on the logic front, but I'm calling you on it because we are talking career achievements, not one season.  If Rayzer (oh yeah, I miss that nickname) had done 37 for 11 years in a row, then shiver me timbers, he'd deserve to be in the HOF.