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Re: 2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs Summer Edition
« Reply #315 on: October 01, 2020, 10:56:56 AM »
If the Leafs are worried about the expansion draft, they won't sign any D men because they can only protect 3..Muzz, Rielly, Holl are it for now. Sign a Brodie or Gudas and Holl won't be protected anymore. There's a very low chance a UFA is going to come here without protection against the expansion draft so they may only go after 1 D man.

For the expansion draft protection, If you sign an FA defender:

Locks:

F - Tavares, Marner, Matthews and Nylander
D - Rielly, Muzzin, FA

So now you can either protect 3 more forwards or 1 more D.

If they could add 4th D that was worth protecting (or Dermott if he stays and takes a step forward), I don't think the risk of losing Holl or one of the remaining forwards (since Hyman is a UFA) should stop them.
And that was my point in the response. The expansion draft will have zero effect on if the Leafs sign a UFA or not.

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Re: 2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs Summer Edition
« Reply #316 on: October 01, 2020, 11:01:06 AM »
I think you're right and I'd be ok with that scenario. I think most of us pencil Sandin in because Dermott isn't signed and Lehtonen is unknown. Lehtonen isn't coming over here to play on the Marlies and the Leafs didn't sign him to play there either. Dermott will have to sign for what the Leafs want. He has no choice other then to sit. I don't see the Leafs going after Gudas. I think he'll cost too much for a 3rd pairing guy.

If they manage to sign Pietrangelo, there's no chance for Gudas here. If they go for Brodie instead you miighhtt be able to squeeze Gudas in. If Brodie is a no-go then I think DeMelo + Gudas would still be a good haul.

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Re: 2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs Summer Edition
« Reply #317 on: October 01, 2020, 11:42:54 AM »
I think you're right and I'd be ok with that scenario. I think most of us pencil Sandin in because Dermott isn't signed and Lehtonen is unknown. Lehtonen isn't coming over here to play on the Marlies and the Leafs didn't sign him to play there either. Dermott will have to sign for what the Leafs want. He has no choice other then to sit. I don't see the Leafs going after Gudas. I think he'll cost too much for a 3rd pairing guy.

If they manage to sign Pietrangelo, there's no chance for Gudas here. If they go for Brodie instead you miighhtt be able to squeeze Gudas in. If Brodie is a no-go then I think DeMelo + Gudas would still be a good haul.
I think DeMelo could be good fit with Rielly and Goudas could be a 2nd/3rd pairing guy with Sandin, Lehtonen or Dermott. I don't see either getting a huge amount but I'd bet the Leafs will offer longer terms to get the cap hit low.
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Re: 2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs Summer Edition
« Reply #318 on: October 01, 2020, 11:55:53 AM »
If the Leafs are worried about the expansion draft, they won't sign any D men because they can only protect 3..Muzz, Rielly, Holl are it for now. Sign a Brodie or Gudas and Holl won't be protected anymore. There's a very low chance a UFA is going to come here without protection against the expansion draft so they may only go after 1 D man.

For the expansion draft protection, If you sign an FA defender:

Locks:

F - Tavares, Marner, Matthews and Nylander
D - Rielly, Muzzin, FA

So now you can either protect 3 more forwards or 1 more D.

If they could add 4th D that was worth protecting (or Dermott if he stays and takes a step forward), I don't think the risk of losing Holl or one of the remaining forwards (since Hyman is a UFA) should stop them.
And that was my point in the response. The expansion draft will have zero effect on if the Leafs sign a UFA or not.

Sorry, I thought you were saying since they could only protect 3 so it would be Rielly, Muzzin + acquired D so they would only go after 1.

I was saying they can protect 4 D, because there are only 4 forwards they absolutely need to protect.

If Dermott is moved and they protect 4D, they could add 2 D because really losing Holl isn't a big deal.

And the risk losing one of Johnsson or Kerfoot, should they still be here, shouldn't stop the team from adding to the D.

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Re: 2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs Summer Edition
« Reply #319 on: October 01, 2020, 12:10:39 PM »
This might be a semi-controversial take but I don't think we should act like Sandin as the 3LD is something that's set in stone (granted I've done it myself in the past). If the Leafs keep Dermott I think the odds are it'll be him and Lehtonen on the bottom pairing with one of them of course playing the right side. I think there's a number of scenarios where he actually starts the season with the Marlies.

Considering how terribly awful Sandin (and Liljegren) were defensively last year, I don't think that's a controversial take at all. I'm also hopeful (maybe foolishly) that they will improve dramatically with Keefe around from the beginning of the year and both of them maturing, with the knowledge they're playing on the big club this year.

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Re: 2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs Summer Edition
« Reply #320 on: October 01, 2020, 12:32:33 PM »
And the risk losing one of Johnsson or Kerfoot, should they still be here, shouldn't stop the team from adding to the D.

It shouldn't, you're right - but, if they are still here, I imagine the team would want to protect them and/or potentially other forward additions that may happen.

Unless the team adds a pair of higher-end D, there really is no issue. If they lose a guy like Gudas, so be it.
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Re: 2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs Summer Edition
« Reply #321 on: October 01, 2020, 01:04:41 PM »
If the Leafs are worried about the expansion draft, they won't sign any D men because they can only protect 3..Muzz, Rielly, Holl are it for now. Sign a Brodie or Gudas and Holl won't be protected anymore. There's a very low chance a UFA is going to come here without protection against the expansion draft so they may only go after 1 D man.

For the expansion draft protection, If you sign an FA defender:

Locks:

F - Tavares, Marner, Matthews and Nylander
D - Rielly, Muzzin, FA

So now you can either protect 3 more forwards or 1 more D.

If they could add 4th D that was worth protecting (or Dermott if he stays and takes a step forward), I don't think the risk of losing Holl or one of the remaining forwards (since Hyman is a UFA) should stop them.
And that was my point in the response. The expansion draft will have zero effect on if the Leafs sign a UFA or not.

Sorry, I thought you were saying since they could only protect 3 so it would be Rielly, Muzzin + acquired D so they would only go after 1.

I was saying they can protect 4 D, because there are only 4 forwards they absolutely need to protect.

If Dermott is moved and they protect 4D, they could add 2 D because really losing Holl isn't a big deal.

And the risk losing one of Johnsson or Kerfoot, should they still be here, shouldn't stop the team from adding to the D.

No worries, I kind of left it hanging at the end there so when I read my response back it can be seen as you saw it. Anyway, you are absolutely correct. We'll worry what we can lose in the draft next year.

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Re: 2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs Summer Edition
« Reply #322 on: October 01, 2020, 01:43:34 PM »
And the risk losing one of Johnsson or Kerfoot, should they still be here, shouldn't stop the team from adding to the D.

It shouldn't, you're right - but, if they are still here, I imagine the team would want to protect them and/or potentially other forward additions that may happen.

Unless the team adds a pair of higher-end D, there really is no issue. If they lose a guy like Gudas, so be it.

One addition on D requiring protection is very likely.

If they were to add another D, I don't think it would have to be that high end of an addition for the team to prefer to retain that player over losing whoever Seattle prefers of Kerfoot, Johnsson or a hypothetical addition at F. Even Dermott, if he takes a step forward in development, could be protected over the forwards.