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Re: Ranking Prospects 2020-2021
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2020, 09:34:46 AM »
Yeah, I'm not saying that Dermott can't be valuable with his skillset but I do think what he brings to the table tends to be undervalued by NHL people. Someone like Roman Polak or Hal Gill always found work because a team would get them and be like "Well, our #2 defenseman on the PK position is filled". I'm not sure Dermott does that in any regard.

Where I think it becomes a problem is when you have, like you suggest the Leafs might, several guys who fit that description and cumulatively you can't figure out something like a really effective PK. That's when I think teams get antsy and look to trade all-arounders for specialists.

I think this front office isn't going to undervalue Dermott the way other organizations historically have.

From what I can see, they're just identifying the type of hockey seed they want to try to grow, and then planting bunches of them at a time to see what they can get out of it. Maybe some specialize as effective PK, while others are more offensively dynamic, while the vast majority fizzle out. At the baseline, the players that get through to the Marlies will have a solid foundation of hockey sense, mobility, and puck skills.

Given our forward core, I still maintain the Leafs don't really need to invest in buying offense from the blueline. They just need to be comfortable jumping into plays and making lots of good passes to our gamebreaking forwards. Ideally, our defense can focus their development efforts on check attachments and removing pucks from players, and it keeps them cheap in the long run.
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Re: Ranking Prospects 2020-2021
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2020, 10:27:02 AM »
17. Egor Korshkov

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So where are we with Korshkov now? He’ll be 24 in July, so he’s nearing the end of any “prospect” status he had been holding on to. He’s a 6’4” winger, so has more size than almost any current Leaf forward, but he’s also a good skater for his size and can score some goals — he’s reminding more and more of a Russian version of Pierre Engvall. He had a pretty successful first AHL season this past year, scoring 16 goals in 44 games playing mostly a middle-six checking line role.

He also scored at an 82-goal pace in his brief NHL stint, so that’s pretty great!

More seriously, Korshkov seemed to quickly settle into the same sort of role he always played in the KHL. Playing on 2nd or 3rd line, providing some secondary scoring and being relied upon for his defensive play. He was used on both the powerplay as the net front guy and did so pretty effectively from what Hardev tells me. Perhaps more importantly, he was one of their top few penalty killers and did very well.
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Re: Ranking Prospects 2020-2021
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2020, 10:31:04 AM »
I think this front office isn't going to undervalue Dermott the way other organizations historically have.

That's my assumption as well given their tendencies but just like "We don't need anyone at the top, we can make decisions by consensus" fell apart as soon as they encountered rough waters the proof will be in the actual construction of a team that can challenge for the cup within those parameters.
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« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2020, 10:45:55 AM »
17. Egor Korshkov

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So where are we with Korshkov now? He’ll be 24 in July, so he’s nearing the end of any “prospect” status he had been holding on to. He’s a 6’4” winger, so has more size than almost any current Leaf forward, but he’s also a good skater for his size and can score some goals — he’s reminding more and more of a Russian version of Pierre Engvall. He had a pretty successful first AHL season this past year, scoring 16 goals in 44 games playing mostly a middle-six checking line role.

He also scored at an 82-goal pace in his brief NHL stint, so that’s pretty great!

More seriously, Korshkov seemed to quickly settle into the same sort of role he always played in the KHL. Playing on 2nd or 3rd line, providing some secondary scoring and being relied upon for his defensive play. He was used on both the powerplay as the net front guy and did so pretty effectively from what Hardev tells me. Perhaps more importantly, he was one of their top few penalty killers and did very well.

I get that maybe they thought they needed some size and they already had something in Bracco.... but I will never get over them passing on DeBrincat.
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« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2020, 11:04:17 AM »
I get that maybe they thought they needed some size and they already had something in Bracco.... but I will never get over them passing on DeBrincat.

I like DeBrincat, but the bigger miss is Sam Girard.
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« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2020, 01:10:31 PM »
I get that maybe they thought they needed some size and they already had something in Bracco.... but I will never get over them passing on DeBrincat.

I like DeBrincat, but the bigger miss is Sam Girard.
True, and I mean I didn't follow Girard much but I was well aware of DeBrincat before the draft so that's what it felt like. I remember sitting there on draft day going.... Really?
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« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2020, 01:21:11 PM »
True, and I mean I didn't follow Girard much but I was well aware of DeBrincat before the draft so that's what it felt like. I remember sitting there on draft day going.... Really?

Was going through the draft thread from then and DeBrincat and Girard were both often brought up as targets that weekend before the actual pick. Someone even suggested Carter Hart,which would have also been nice.

It's a good thing we nailed our 1st rounder that year at least...

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« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2020, 01:47:07 PM »

I think part of the pre-draft Girard mania was just that the team had so much already up front prospect-wise that it seemed like the logical thing to do was take as many big swings at high potential D prospects in the second and third rounds as possible. In 2015 I was big on Oliver Kylington for the same reason.

That the Leafs never did that remains a fairly perplexing thing. It's obviously kind of operating with hindsight after so many of their 2nd/3rd round picks from then look unimpressive but even if Bracco did look like a good pick right now it'd just be adding to the glut of wingers.
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« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2020, 09:46:53 PM »

I think part of the pre-draft Girard mania was just that the team had so much already up front prospect-wise that it seemed like the logical thing to do was take as many big swings at high potential D prospects in the second and third rounds as possible. In 2015 I was big on Oliver Kylington for the same reason.

That the Leafs never did that remains a fairly perplexing thing. It's obviously kind of operating with hindsight after so many of their 2nd/3rd round picks from then look unimpressive but even if Bracco did look like a good pick right now it'd just be adding to the glut of wingers.
I mean they say to not draft for positional need but at some point you have to slot those positions one way or another. You're not always going to get a 1:1 trade worth your time, you may have to begrudgingly part with more than you bargained for to get what you actually need.
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« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2020, 09:40:03 AM »
16. Denis Malgin

I liked Mason Marchment, but I also really liked this trade. Ultimately they both probably pan out to bottom-3 forwards but Malgin looks to have a higher floor and slightly higher ceiling and younger, so this was a no brainer for someone we plucked out of ECHL purgatory.
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« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2020, 11:53:44 AM »
I mean they say to not draft for positional need but at some point you have to slot those positions one way or another.

I think that not drafting for positional need is only really a thing if you've got a high first round pick and you're pretty convinced both guys will be decent NHLers. In that case, yeah, you should ignore position and go with the guy you think is the better bet.

When you're dealing with 2nd and 3rd rounders it's such a crap shoot, with the odds against any of them making a serious impact, that rather than pretending you have a crystal ball the position a guy plays is a fair piece of information to be part of your thinking.
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« Reply #41 on: June 29, 2020, 09:38:25 AM »
15. Semyon Der-Arguchintsev

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If hockey returns, Der-Arguchintsev will more than likely be a top-6 centre in Newfoundland or take over Bracco's niche on the Marlies as playmaking winger but with more defensive potential.
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« Reply #42 on: June 29, 2020, 11:15:39 AM »
When you're dealing with 2nd and 3rd rounders it's such a crap shoot, with the odds against any of them making a serious impact, that rather than pretending you have a crystal ball the position a guy plays is a fair piece of information to be part of your thinking.

Agreed. Once you get later in the draft (especially from the 3rd round on), there's so little separating large groups of prospects that there will almost always be guys at every position with similar ceilings. At that point, you should be seriously considering organizational needs as a factor.
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« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2020, 09:46:21 AM »
14. Mikhail Abramov

Freshly ELC'd in March as a result of his great D+1 season (35 goals and 76 points in 63 games), Abramov looks like a really good 4th round pick. Coming off the dev camp last summer, he resolved to shoot more than to try to facilitate play through his linemates (fellow import linemate Egor Serdyuk went from 25G/40A last year to 16G/24A -- Serduyk was drafted in the 6th round last year by the Flyers).

PPP made note of his game-change early this year, before 2020 rounded into form (I think only Australia was on fire at the time).

There was a recent spotlight profile on Abramov on the Athletic about how he redefined his game from perimeter playmaker to Nylander-esque high danger finisher.
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« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2020, 11:41:30 AM »
13. Nick Abruzzese

Abruzzese and Abramov are going to be linked for the foreseeable future on account of a) being drafted in about the same block (2019 4th rd), b) having names that start with A (also Mik and Nick), c) having little to no expectations on them and then blowing up in their post-draft season. And now that I've read the linked article, I see others have similar observations.

Abruzzese is an overager, but definitely a late bloomer on the physical side. Even though he's older, I had Abruzzese just a bit higher than Abramov because he did it as a smoller body and is a big time nerd about his hockey (a la Tavares, Hyman)
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