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Re: Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021
« Reply #165 on: September 17, 2020, 02:19:56 PM »
As good a breakdown of Dumba's game as any I've seen.

I think I'd still rather try Travis Dermott out on the right side with a full 'summer' and training camp to build it up.
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« Reply #166 on: September 17, 2020, 02:27:16 PM »
So what kind of right-shot defenceman can the Leafs get for Kerfoot + Dermott + 15th pick?

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2022090

A) That's a tier or two below the player we'd hope to get for such a heavy trade haul
B) Does anyone else play the game of 'which publication did the Score paraphrase?' when they see a link?

If you can get Matt Dumba for a third line centre, a defenseman that can only crack the 3rd pairing, and a mid round 1st, you take it and run.

I think you're overvaluing Kerfoot and Dermott.

I also think the Leafs need to make some very bold moves this off-season, and can't afford not to trade some forward firepower for a 1st pairing rock.  I don't know if Matt Dumba is that guy, but Pietrangelo sure is.
Could be a Dumba thing to do! 8)
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Re: Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021
« Reply #167 on: September 17, 2020, 02:33:26 PM »
Even putting aside the fact that I don't think he's a good fit for the Leafs right now, acquiring Dumba is still a very risky move considering the season he's coming off of. If his arm is still an issue and a reason for him scoring at a 7-goal pace this season then that's pretty worrying.

Dumba had 3 goals, and 4 points less than Kerfoot last year. Dumba has also broken the 50 point barrier previously in his career something Kerfoot has never done. He's also the same ago as Kerfoot, 26 y/o.

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Re: Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021
« Reply #168 on: October 01, 2020, 05:03:04 PM »
I'm slowly talking myself into something silly:

To CAR: Andersen
To TOR: Hamilton

Cap hits are nearly the same, term is exactly the same, but Andersen is owed only 1M in salary (20% of cap hit), while Hamilton is owed 6M (104% of cap hit). The money they spent on our 13th OA pick can be recouped here. Hamilton is going to be expensive the year after and the market will be set (high) when Pietrangelo signs his deal. I think they want to preserve Slavin as their high-water mark on defense (5.3M).

They need goaltending more than we need a top pairing RD, believe it or not. It'll set up their expansion draft roster better to only have Slavin, Skjei, and Pesce to protect.

There might be additional packaging around the core of this trade (Johnsson, Liljegren, Trocheck) as goaltender value is a bit soft.
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Re: Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021
« Reply #169 on: October 01, 2020, 05:27:45 PM »
I'm slowly talking myself into something silly:

To CAR: Andersen
To TOR: Hamilton

Cap hits are nearly the same, term is exactly the same, but Andersen is owed only 1M in salary (20% of cap hit), while Hamilton is owed 6M (104% of cap hit). The money they spent on our 13th OA pick can be recouped here. Hamilton is going to be expensive the year after and the market will be set (high) when Pietrangelo signs his deal. I think they want to preserve Slavin as their high-water mark on defense (5.3M).

They need goaltending more than we need a top pairing RD, believe it or not. It'll set up their expansion draft roster better to only have Slavin, Skjei, and Pesce to protect.

There might be additional packaging around the core of this trade (Johnsson, Liljegren, Trocheck) as goaltender value is a bit soft.
Cap hit almost the same? 750K isn't the same, that's a player. Why would we do this?

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Re: Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021
« Reply #170 on: October 01, 2020, 05:42:49 PM »
To be honest I thought the first feedback would be that Carolina hangs up the phone (or types lol in the text, whatever the format), not why would Toronto add a league min to the cap for a 1RD lol
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Re: Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021
« Reply #171 on: October 01, 2020, 05:52:53 PM »
To be honest I thought the first feedback would be that Carolina hangs up the phone (or types lol in the text, whatever the format), not why would Toronto add a league min to the cap for a 1RD lol
and no goalie

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Re: Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021
« Reply #172 on: October 01, 2020, 05:56:40 PM »
To be honest I thought the first feedback would be that Carolina hangs up the phone (or types lol in the text, whatever the format), not why would Toronto add a league min to the cap for a 1RD lol
and no goalie

Um not every trade solves all the problems at once though...
how is this an auto nope but shedding forward depth chasing AP is a woohoo haha
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Re: Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021
« Reply #173 on: October 01, 2020, 06:05:16 PM »
To be honest I thought the first feedback would be that Carolina hangs up the phone (or types lol in the text, whatever the format), not why would Toronto add a league min to the cap for a 1RD lol

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Re: Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021
« Reply #174 on: October 01, 2020, 06:11:03 PM »
You could probably get Carolina to retain some cap hit on Hamilton because they would still be coming out ahead in terms of dollars paid. Say they retained 1/3 of his contract... the Leafs AAV for him would be about $3.8mil and the Hurricanes would still need to pay him $2mil of his salary. That plus Andersen's $1mil still saves them $3mil in cash. Are those saving worth it to them? Who knows.

In terms of just hockey value though it's definitely Carolina saying no, at least straight up. Let's not forget Hamilton was in the Norris conversation this season prior to his injury. I know they're super deep on the right side and something has to give but I don't think they'll trade him for a goalie like this.

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Re: Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021
« Reply #175 on: October 01, 2020, 07:53:04 PM »
Would the hockey value differential translate to the value of not pushing for a salary retention?
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Re: Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021
« Reply #176 on: October 02, 2020, 02:02:18 PM »
To be honest I thought the first feedback would be that Carolina hangs up the phone (or types lol in the text, whatever the format), not why would Toronto add a league min to the cap for a 1RD lol
Well they might just hang it up. I think if the Leafs wanted to do a deal for Hamilton, they'd have to know they could sign him to an extension. Now could they sign him for around 8 mill per going forward? If so, I'd do it. I wouldn't trade for him for 1 year. Now, would you trade Nylander(+), if needed,  for Hamilton? We know it would cost Freddie +. What do you think it would take?

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Re: Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021
« Reply #177 on: October 03, 2020, 05:14:18 PM »

Well can't blame em for trying.

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Re: Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021
« Reply #178 on: October 03, 2020, 05:30:50 PM »
Circle back later. Andersen is the best available keeper
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Re: Armchair GM Thread 2020-2021
« Reply #179 on: October 03, 2020, 05:38:23 PM »
Circle back later. Andersen is the best available keeper

I am really curious to see what management's plan to replace him is.