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Coronavirus
« on: March 03, 2020, 01:10:23 PM »
Just read this, thought I would share.. What I find interesting is we all touch our mouths and noses around 90X a day, mostly unconscious of the fact.

From Dr. Robb:

Date: February 26, 2020 at 2:35:50 PM EST
Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic.

When I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.

The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.

Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:

1) NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.

2) Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.

3) Open doors with your closed fist or hip – do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.

4) Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.

5) Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.

6) Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home’s entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can’t immediately wash your hands.

7) If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!

What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:

1) Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.


Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average – everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.

2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you – it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth – it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.

3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.

4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY “cold-like” symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.

I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.

I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all of us!

Jim

James Robb, MD FCAP
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2020, 06:29:14 PM »
We managed to purchase some masks but hand sanitizers are virtually sold out everywhere.  I still have a large refillable bottle in my cabinet.  My mother and I each carry a small bottle in our handbags.

I use it after touching doorknobs, before touching food (when I’m out), etc.  Using it prudently and not overdoing it will serve one very well.  Of course, washing the hands is imperative for anyone to do but all too often, people (especially males) who’ve used the bathrooms don’t always wash them properly or retouch door handles, etc.  My mother always makes it a point to have several tissues handy in case she needs to use one.

I, after exiting a public washroom, always hand sanitize even after washing my hands.  Just a precaution.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2020, 06:29:47 PM »
Re-posted here from another thread:

Quercitin, fortifying the immune system, Vit C, etc., The battle against the Coronavirus...


Here is the article Dr. Rona is referring to:
https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/a-made-in-canada-solution-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak/

How Vitamin C is benefitting the fight against infection:


Proper nutrients and nutrition is essential to fortify our immune systems:


Article written by Dr. Rona:
https://vitalitymagazine.com/article/coronavirus-protection-and-treatment-top-10-natural-remedies/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2020, 06:37:38 PM »

 I take 6000mg of vitamin C daily, year round and more if I'm feeling the least bit sick.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2020, 06:59:34 PM »
Getting the facts right about “Coronavirus”, what it is, it’s relation to other viruses, and the flu:  How two MDs used non-drug approaches to treat a wide variety of influenza...

https://realfarmacy.com/treat-coronavirus-without-drugs/

Vitamin C high dosages can cause what is called bowel intolerance.  This approach may not be for everyone.

Why Vitamin C?  According to The Linus Pauling Institute, Vitamin C has been known to kill cancer cells in a Petri dish.  It has also been known to work in synergy with chemotherapy (long disputed by conventional oncologists).

How is this so?  There was a study done by a lone researcher that debunked the chemo w/vit C balance.  However, after that one study, there emerged several others that proved quite the opposite.   Unfortunately, in failing to uplift the state of the patient, most oncologists are still adhering to the first study.

Uplifting the state of the patient?  That’s exactly what it means,  striving to strike a balance between drug treatment (chemo, etc.) and nutritional support.
Naturopathic Oncology is a part of treatment found at CTCA (Cancer Treatment Centers if America) attempts to do just that — mind, body, & spirit.  Conventional or other means to treat disease, a dietary regimen, plus the usage of medicinal herbs to uplift the state of the patient, strengthen the immune system, and prevent side effects whenever possible.  That is the proper approach to any disease — complete, multi-faceted, and individualized.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2020, 07:25:30 PM »
Welcome news indeed.


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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2020, 12:31:12 PM »
Welcome news indeed.

This is so insanely circumstantial.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2020, 12:50:38 PM »
good lord, people. Vitamin C will not prevent or treat the coronavirus. Your body needs a certain amount; after that, you're literally pissing money down the drain.


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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2020, 12:53:35 PM »
good lord, people. Vitamin C will not prevent or treat the coronavirus. Your body needs a certain amount; after that, you're literally pissing money down the drain.

What about silver? That'll help right?


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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2020, 01:24:16 PM »
good lord, people. Vitamin C will not prevent or treat the coronavirus. Your body needs a certain amount; after that, you're literally pissing money down the drain.

What about silver? That'll help right?



Good for the prevention of lycanthropy.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2020, 01:51:17 PM »
I really think everyone here has the best intentions and no one should be ridiculed for trying to help.  We are all going through this together. This virus is the great leveller,  it doesn't matter what your background or social status is, its going to touch rich and poor all the same. 
If one of us recommends Vitamin C, then this is good, do you own due diligence before you act (or ridicule).  It only makes sense to take a great Vitamin C supplement, as it is proven to bolster immune systems. When I suggest NAC, instead of ridicule, look at it, do your due diligence and make your own informed decisions.  I am open to all suggestions, as I will investigate all claims and make my own decisions.   Let's help each other instead of playing games of one-upmanship.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2020, 02:24:23 PM »
good lord, people. Vitamin C will not prevent or treat the coronavirus. Your body needs a certain amount; after that, you're literally pissing money down the drain.

So your body can only absorb so much vitamin c in a day.  That is a fact.  Your body will get rid of the excess through urine.  That statement is correct.

This may be semantics, but vitamin C will promote a healthy immune system.  A healthy immune system will help your body fight off viruses.  You'll still feel the effects of the virus, it won't prevent it, but your body's immune system will be the thing that needs to fight off the virus, so having a healthy immune system will help.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2020, 02:34:18 PM »
Let's help each other instead of playing games of one-upmanship.

I can't disagree more. No one is served by half baked theories by "experts" and naturopathic nonsense; in fact, it creates more confusion and dilutes proper advice.

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2020, 03:59:21 PM »
Let's help each other instead of playing games of one-upmanship.

I can't disagree more. No one is served by half baked theories by "experts" and naturopathic nonsense; in fact, it creates more confusion and dilutes proper advice.

Fryer14, who makes who and who an expert? What I am saying is we can all put forth our views without ridicule. Most Big Pharma has a vested interest in keeping natural cures under wrap.

I could say lima beans helped my sister combat cancer, rather than say nonsense, if you want to test the suggestion then google it and do your research.  People on this board should have the right to say what they think and if you want to check it out check it out.  We are just trying to help each other.

You could say my claims to NAC are nonsense, did you know about NAC before?  All I have said is what it has done for me. Did I claim it would ward off coronavirus? No, of course not.  I said if anyone is interested do your own due diligence rather than claiming I am a witch, without any research/effort on your part.

Nothing can combat the coronavirus except your own immune system, so the idea is to bolster your natural defences to the maximum.  If Vitamin C and NAC help that then great, if your research proves different don't use it.  We can't scare of each other from making suggestions that may help.

Another thing you may want to check out is TUDCA, not sure about immune function but is great for the liver. Ok, lets test my theory.  Check out whatever is suggested instead of trying to sound like any of us has all the answers. I certainly don't.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2020, 04:06:33 PM »
I really think everyone here has the best intentions and no one should be ridiculed for trying to help.  We are all going through this together. This virus is the great leveller,  it doesn't matter what your background or social status is, its going to touch rich and poor all the same. 
If one of us recommends Vitamin C, then this is good, do you own due diligence before you act (or ridicule).  It only makes sense to take a great Vitamin C supplement, as it is proven to bolster immune systems. When I suggest NAC, instead of ridicule, look at it, do your due diligence and make your own informed decisions.  I am open to all suggestions, as I will investigate all claims and make my own decisions.   Let's help each other instead of playing games of one-upmanship.

Last time I checked, this virus had a fatality rate of 3.4%.  It's a little higher than what was expected which was 1%.  Unless those numbers go up, I think great leveller might be a bit over the top.  S.A.R.S had a higher fatality rate, which I think was around 10%

I mean if this was Ebola with a longer gestation period then I would be more scared of it. 

As of right now, from what I have read, the reason this is dangerous is because it is new and that means it can spread quickly because nobody has a natural defense for it.  However it isn't anything that should push a healthy immune system over it's limits. The greatest risk are to those with weakened immune systems.  Also it is cross species which presents some other challenges when trying to contain it.
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