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Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2020, 12:09:16 PM »
I don't understand what this means...I'm obviously not versed in MLB CBA.

It's complicated but I'll try to put it as simply as I can for anyone interested:

So, players taken in the MLB draft don't have a predetermined amount of money they make based on where they're drafted. Teams draft players, then have to negotiate a signing bonus. In the past that meant that some very good players didn't get drafted high because their signing bonus demands were very high so smaller revenue teams might opt to draft someone with lower salary demands because they were more affordable.

Nowadays, however, in an attempt to curtail the practice of high value draft picks falling to high revenue teams, all teams are allocated a certain signing bonus total for all of their draft picks that they can't exceed without facing penalties. Each draft pick is assigned what's known as a slot number, for simplicity's sake, let's say that the #1 pick has a slot number of 8 million dollars, the #2 pick is 7.5 million and so on.

So if a team has the #1 pick, with a slot bonus of 8 million, and also the #31 pick, with a slot bonus of 1 million and then two other picks whose slot numbers are 1 million total. That means that team has a bonus pool of 10 million. Now, they're allowed to allocate that money however they want. They don't have to pay the guy they pick #1 all 8 million. So if they have two prospects at #1 they like but one says he's willing to sign for 7.5 million, that extra 500,000 can be used by the team to sign their other draft picks.

So a team, let's say the Orioles, chose to draft someone generally seen as being outside the top 5 players in the draft in part because they were able to sign him for less than his slot number. That meant they could use later picks on players with salary demands that might exceed their slot numbers.

This comes into play a lot with players drafted out of high school. A high school prospect seen as pretty good value might want more than their slot number and say if they don't get it they won't sign with the team that drafted them and will instead go to college and re-enter the draft later. By having unused money in their bonus pool, a team can draft high value high school prospects and financially entice them go into their minor league system instead of college. Because oftentimes players improve in college and improve their draft position when they re-enter, offering over slot bonuses to high schoolers can be a way to get a lot of value from picks outside of the 1st round.
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Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2020, 12:49:09 PM »
That's a pretty damn easy to understand explanation, Nik.  Thank you.

So in reference to the tweet, did

...Heston Kjerstad signings went...

mean Heston Kjerstad savings went?

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Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #47 on: June 13, 2020, 12:59:50 PM »
That's a pretty damn easy to understand explanation, Nik.  Thank you.

So in reference to the tweet, did

...Heston Kjerstad signings went...

mean Heston Kjerstad savings went?

That's my reading of it.
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Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #48 on: June 19, 2020, 02:03:59 PM »
Just read a little short piece on Alek Manoah...I know nothing of him other than what I read in the article...is he seen as a legit starter prospect for the Jays?

EDIT:  Here's the link to the article:  https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/alek-manoah-blessing-velocity-changeup-mark-fate/

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Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #49 on: June 19, 2020, 02:09:27 PM »
Just read a little short piece on Alek Manoah...I know nothing of him other than what I read in the article...is he seen as a legit starter prospect for the Jays?

EDIT:  Here's the link to the article:  https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/alek-manoah-blessing-velocity-changeup-mark-fate/

Are you asking if he's well regarded or if people think he'll ultimately end up in the bullpen? Because he was a first round pick last year, pitched pretty well in his first pro year and even made Baseball Prospectus' list of top 100 prospects in baseball.
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Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #50 on: June 19, 2020, 02:22:57 PM »
Just read a little short piece on Alek Manoah...I know nothing of him other than what I read in the article...is he seen as a legit starter prospect for the Jays?

EDIT:  Here's the link to the article:  https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/alek-manoah-blessing-velocity-changeup-mark-fate/

Are you asking if he's well regarded or if people think he'll ultimately end up in the bullpen? Because he was a first round pick last year, pitched pretty well in his first pro year and even made Baseball Prospectus' list of top 100 prospects in baseball.

Thanks Nik...yeah more about whether or not he's projected to be a starter.

I ask because I know Sportsnet often paints an overly pretty picture of Jays prospects, but I know some of you around here are a little more knowledgeable and realistic.

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Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #51 on: June 19, 2020, 02:25:52 PM »
Thanks Nik...yeah more about whether or not he's projected to be a starter.

I ask because I know Sportsnet often paints an overly pretty picture of Jays prospects, but I know some of you around here are a little more knowledgeable and realistic.

Probably just a little too early to tell in his case. He's pitched 17 innings of pro ball and probably won't make the Majors for another 2-3 seasons. Like the article says, where he eventually ends up is going to depend on how well he can develop secondary pitches and that's a bit of a crap shoot with any pitcher.
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Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #52 on: June 19, 2020, 02:29:32 PM »
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Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2020, 11:50:51 PM »
Again, not a shock.
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Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2020, 01:41:21 PM »
Again, not a shock.

I actually think that the amount of sports players getting the virus is very shocking.  I can only assume that they're being quite flagrant with some of the new protocols, given none of them have had to go to work for months now.

The population of even the USA is still at far less than 1% infection rate. 

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Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2020, 02:04:00 PM »
I actually think that the amount of sports players getting the virus is very shocking.  I can only assume that they're being quite flagrant with some of the new protocols, given none of them have had to go to work for months now.

The population of even the USA is still at far less than 1% infection rate.

I wonder if it's more that athletes have access to regular testing. After all, that infection rate is just confirmed infections.
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Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2020, 02:25:06 PM »
I actually think that the amount of sports players getting the virus is very shocking.  I can only assume that they're being quite flagrant with some of the new protocols, given none of them have had to go to work for months now.

The not shocking thing to me is that 3 of the teams training in Florida have had these issues. Cases are spiking there and restrictions seem pretty lax. These players might have been doing everything right in terms of quarantining the past few months but once you start bringing them back into these training facilities the threat becomes higher regardless of how safe they thing they're being.

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Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2020, 03:26:03 PM »
Again, not a shock.

I actually think that the amount of sports players getting the virus is very shocking.  I can only assume that they're being quite flagrant with some of the new protocols, given none of them have had to go to work for months now.

The population of even the USA is still at far less than 1% infection rate.

I mean, I get that lots of people follow the precautionary principle and will do cautious things before they become a problem but in Florida what protocols are there really? It's out of control to a point where unless you're being extra cautious I don't see why people wouldn't pick it up after maybe having a dinner with another family.
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Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2020, 03:37:11 PM »
Again, not a shock.

I actually think that the amount of sports players getting the virus is very shocking.  I can only assume that they're being quite flagrant with some of the new protocols, given none of them have had to go to work for months now.

The population of even the USA is still at far less than 1% infection rate.

I mean, I get that lots of people follow the precautionary principle and will do cautious things before they become a problem but in Florida what protocols are there really? It's out of control to a point where unless you're being extra cautious I don't see why people wouldn't pick it up after maybe having a dinner with another family.

Again though, still only 93000 cases confirmed in Florida.  They have a population of 21m. 

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Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
« Reply #59 on: June 21, 2020, 03:49:51 PM »
Again though, still only 93000 cases confirmed in Florida.  They have a population of 21m.

But wasn't there the whole thing of them firing the woman compiling the data because she was actually reporting the right numbers? I'm not sure official data from a state like Florida helps much right now.
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