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Re: Marlies 2019-2020
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2019, 01:01:57 PM »
I was going to try to catch some Marlies games this year, but now I probably won't until Hollowell, Conrad, Duszak, and Brazeau are back up.
Disappointing to say the least, however perhaps they will play max minutes on the Growlers. Perhaps this was why they started the ECHL in the first place, to actually develop prospects with real potential, not just long shots.

Have to wonder if putting a guy like Duszak or Conrad in the ECHL has negative impacts on signing future college free-agents.  I'm sure there are many benefits to signing with the Maple Leafs org. (player development seems to be of the highest standard) but having the chance of being shipped to NFLD probably isn't a big seller.

And I'm not knocking the ROCK.  I loved it there when I visited but the perception of going there is probably not that strong, especially among american college free-agents.

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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2019, 01:05:17 PM »
I don’t think it’s a permanent thing. I’m guessing they’re going to try to get some of the vets with potential but no Leafs prospects out to other NHL opportunities (a la Leivo) and get some more picks or AHL projects back.
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Re: Marlies 2019-2020
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2019, 01:10:32 PM »
Have to wonder if putting a guy like Duszak or Conrad in the ECHL has negative impacts on signing future college free-agents.  I'm sure there are many benefits to signing with the Maple Leafs org. (player development seems to be of the highest standard) but having the chance of being shipped to NFLD probably isn't a big seller.

And I'm not knocking the ROCK.  I loved it there when I visited but the perception of going there is probably not that strong, especially among american college free-agents.

I think it's totally understandable for fans to overhype their prospects a little, but we should probably keep in mind neither of those two were really considered in the top tier of NCAA free agents. SBNation had an article that ranked the top-10 college free agents and had an additional 24 names in their honourable mentions section and Duszak and Conrad weren't mentioned.

Maybe they were just oversights, and we obviously shouldn't be considering that as a definitive ranking, but these aren't the kinds of NCAA prospects that were going to walk in and challenge for a NHL spot anytime soon.

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Re: Marlies 2019-2020
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2019, 01:26:18 PM »
Plus they are going to a Championship team! 8)
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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2019, 01:36:38 PM »
Just noticed that the Growlers have a 6'7" Goalie at camp, Ian Milosz. That is one large Goalie.
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Re: Marlies 2019-2020
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2019, 01:51:30 PM »
Just noticed that the Growlers have a 6'7" Goalie at camp, Ian Milosz. That is one large Goalie.

Listed at 6'7" and 214lbs, that's one large, thin goalie.

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Re: Marlies 2019-2020
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2019, 01:57:19 PM »
Have to wonder if putting a guy like Duszak or Conrad in the ECHL has negative impacts on signing future college free-agents.  I'm sure there are many benefits to signing with the Maple Leafs org. (player development seems to be of the highest standard) but having the chance of being shipped to NFLD probably isn't a big seller.

And I'm not knocking the ROCK.  I loved it there when I visited but the perception of going there is probably not that strong, especially among american college free-agents.

I think it's totally understandable for fans to overhype their prospects a little, but we should probably keep in mind neither of those two were really considered in the top tier of NCAA free agents. SBNation had an article that ranked the top-10 college free agents and had an additional 24 names in their honourable mentions section and Duszak and Conrad weren't mentioned.

Maybe they were just oversights, and we obviously shouldn't be considering that as a definitive ranking, but these aren't the kinds of NCAA prospects that were going to walk in and challenge for a NHL spot anytime soon.

Point taken: Conrad wasn't as sought after for sure.  He wouldn't have taken an AHL deal if there was serious interest elsewhere.

Duszak was in the top 10 for the Hobey Baker award so I don't agree there

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Re: Marlies 2019-2020
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2019, 02:29:28 PM »
Stacking all these NHL type guys on the Marlies allows the Leafs to call up a depth forward if need be near seasons end as opposed to making some "2nd round pick for 4th line center" type trade that we've been so fond of doing in the past.
Exactly. I think the kids are going to the Rock so they can play a lot. They wouldn't get that on the Marlies with Kivihalme, Lindgren, Harpur, Schmaltz, Gravel and Liljegren on the roster.

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Re: Marlies 2019-2020
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2019, 02:55:24 PM »
Stacking all these NHL type guys on the Marlies allows the Leafs to call up a depth forward if need be near seasons end as opposed to making some "2nd round pick for 4th line center" type trade that we've been so fond of doing in the past.
Exactly. I think the kids are going to the Rock so they can play a lot. They wouldn't get that on the Marlies with Kivihalme, Lindgren, Harpur, Schmaltz, Gravel and Liljegren on the roster.
Yes let them all play 20+ a night and get the instruction and development staff they need to move up the chain.  Hopefully a few of them play for the Leafs at some point.
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Re: Marlies 2019-2020
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2019, 04:39:23 PM »
https://theathletic.com/1254030/2019/09/30/leafs-new-tiered-system-creates-longer-path-for-players-like-aaron-luchuk/

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Head coach Sheldon Keefe hinted at just how far the Leafs and Marlies were planning on taking that commitment [to the Newfoundland Growlers] this year.

“There’s an obvious transition for us here now with camp being concluded. We’ve got a number of players that we’re going to be welcoming in. I don’t know what that number is going to be but it’s essentially a full team of guys. There’s going to be a lot of players here that will be joining the Growlers. With how it coincides with how the Leafs run their camp, they essentially keep our team until the very end,” Keefe said.

One of the things Dubas has tried to do is change the conversation around the ECHL. Playing there is not a demotion, but an opportunity to mature your game. At least for the Marlies/Growlers, they're essentially both AHL level teams and the Leafs trusting the Growlers with so many of their prized prospects and projects is a huge commitment. They're going to get premium minutes with the Growlers vs the bottom 6 time with the Marlies.

I still think some of these big(ger) names get shuffled back to Toronto when the dust settles on the waiver front. Either way, the development team is going to be packing on some serious air miles.
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Re: Marlies 2019-2020
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2019, 05:31:40 PM »
An interesting note about the guys going down to the ECHL. 

- Guys on NHL contracts can't be sent down to the ECHL unless they are on ELC contracts or agree to it.
- The ECHL has a 4 Veteran Maximum

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A veteran shall mean a player, other than a goaltender, who has played in at least 260 regular season games of professional hockey. Provided however, any player signed to a NHL or AHL contract which contains an ECHL assignment provision shall be exempt from the foregoing rule. Notwithstanding the above, any player assigned to an ECHL member team on a NHL or AHL contract shall be deemed to be a veteran if said player is 24 years or older and has participated in 260 regular season professional hockey games as of the opening day of the season of said year.

So some of the guys sent down might have been chosen because of those rules over whether they might be better than some of the guys we recently waived.

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Re: Marlies 2019-2020
« Reply #26 on: October 01, 2019, 06:57:22 AM »
Is it worth having a Growlers thread or is this one more a Marlies/Growlers thread overall now kind of by default?
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Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2019, 07:28:28 AM »
Is it worth having a Growlers thread or is this one more a Marlies/Growlers thread overall now kind of by default?

I think we should just mash’em together here.

Marlies = Leafs subs
Growlers = prospect development
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Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2019, 08:17:11 AM »
Yeah I think mashing them together makes sense.  We can track all prospects and potential prospects in one thread.

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Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2019, 10:02:21 AM »

Neat chart showing the organizational depth chart. Seems most pertinent here since we all know what the Leafs look like already.

One thing is clear: the Marlies won't really be a young/developmental team this season. And that's more the fault of not really getting much from a few drafts in a row there than it is a logjam of veterans.
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