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Re: Leafs Re-Aquire David Clarkson
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2019, 12:18:55 AM »
Shouldn’t the thread title be leafs trade Sparks for 4th round pick? Seems a little more realistic than ‘re-acquiring’ Clarkson.

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Re: Leafs Re-Aquire David Clarkson
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« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2019, 12:44:34 AM »
Deebo explains this better.

The inflated AAV is for the whole year; cap is calculated daily. Signing mid season means that number is prorated and so the daily cap hit totals at the end of year to exactly the same as the subsequent years’ hits.

E.g. Nylander’s actual cap hit in the first year totaled to 6.9M.


That's not what the cap hit showed on capfriendly. He was at 10.2M or something

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/william-nylander

You're confusing some terminology. Average annual value (AAV) is the same as "cap number". This is the annual value of the contract. "Cap hit" is the actual value applied to the cap based on number of days on the roster x the daily amount (which is just the AAV divided by the number of days in a season; 186 I believe).

Nylander's 1st year cap number was higher so that the daily rate is higher. Multiply that by the number of days he spent on the roster and it equals the full AAV of subsequent years. Assuming he is never on LTIR, his cap hit (not cap number) is now the same in every year of the contract, including the 1st.

You are correct, sir.

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Re: Leafs Re-Aquire David Clarkson
« Reply #62 on: July 24, 2019, 12:55:48 AM »
Clarkson has better hands than Gary Roberts by a wide margin.

Thank you for this.

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« Reply #63 on: July 24, 2019, 01:00:01 AM »
Smart move by Dubas, or rather, a necessity:  Making some sense of this trade & reacquisition:

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The Maple Leafs might have just cleared the way to re-sign Mitch Marner — and alleviated an awkward situation with back-up goalie Garret Sparks at training camp.

Clarkson’s AAV can be allocated towards Marner, as well as Horton’s remaining year at $5.3 million, once the season begins and both are shifted to long-term injured reserve, neither with any hope of playing in the NHL again.

With National Hockey League teams allowed to stretch the 2019-20 cap of $81.5 million by 10% during the summer, the NHL salary website CapFriendly projects the Leafs can construct a roster with resources up to $92,050,000, which could include Marner, then place Horton and Clarkson on LTIR in October to cover a $10.55 million difference.

...the Marner family camp, led by agent Darren Ferris, has so far been asking for term and money consistent with what Dubas forked over for Auston Matthews in the middle of last season.

That’s an AAV of $11.634 million for 2016’s first overall pick Matthews, in effect until the 2023-24 season, while free agent John Tavares signed last season for seven years at $77 million, which takes him to 2024-25 with an $11-million hit. It put Dubas in a near-impossible situation to fit Marner in under any kind of short- or long-term deal...

...Tuesday’s money machinations gave Dubas and assistant GM/capologist Brandon Pridham a lot more breathing room, though using LITR has strict rules, too, and there’s the chance the injured Zach Hyman and Travis Dermott might not be ready Oct. 1, either.
   

At least, now we know the why of it.

Story:
https://torontosun.com/sports/hockey/getting-clarksons-contract-could-solve-leafs-marner-dilemma
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Re: Leafs Re-Aquire David Clarkson
« Reply #64 on: July 24, 2019, 01:19:50 AM »
You're confusing some terminology. Average annual value (AAV) is the same as "cap number". This is the annual value of the contract. "Cap hit" is the actual value applied to the cap based on number of days on the roster x the daily amount (which is just the AAV divided by the number of days in a season; 186 I believe).

Nylander's 1st year cap number was higher so that the daily rate is higher. Multiply that by the number of days he spent on the roster and it equals the full AAV of subsequent years. Assuming he is never on LTIR, his cap hit (not cap number) is now the same in every year of the contract, including the 1st.

You are correct, sir.

In 2012 the Hurricanes signed a college free agent named Jeremy Welsh to a 1-year contract with just 1 game left in the regular season. The deal paid him a signing bonus of $92,500 and had a yearly salary that would have paid him $832,500 over the course of a full season.

Because of the same sort of rules about players signing after the start of the season that effected Nylander's "cap hit", the AAV on Welsh's contract was $17,945,000. $17,945,000. $17,945,000!

He of course did not actually take up $17.9mil of Carolina's cap space that season. That would be absurd. He only spent about a day or two on Carolina's roster, so he actually only accounted for about $5,000-10,000 on their cap.

Looking at Nylander, his AAV was $10,277,778. But because of the number of days he spent on Toronto's roster, his daily cap hit by the end of the season accumulated to only $6,962,366. That's the important number here, not the $10mil AAV.
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Re: Leafs Re-Aquire David Clarkson
« Reply #65 on: July 24, 2019, 02:15:38 AM »
Wondering if this opens up a window for re-signing Gardiner on short-term?

If Marner were to get a bridge deal (just for the sake of saying) in the vicinity of $7M, then the Gardiner signing would be possible.

Otherwise, as it stands, the Leafs would need to trade someone. 

Forget Gardiner.  The focus is all on Marner, which is the way it’s intended.

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Re: Leafs Re-Aquire David Clarkson
« Reply #66 on: July 24, 2019, 08:09:28 AM »
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Re: Leafs Re-Aquire David Clarkson
« Reply #67 on: July 24, 2019, 08:33:59 AM »
What the last 24 hours have hammered home is, it was way easier being a hockey fan when I was a kid.  You didn't have to worry about cap hits, contract values etc.  You either had good players or bad players and whether your favorite guy made $10M or $1M it didn't really matter cause they were part of the team.  Every trade was only scrutinized insofar as the play on the ice.  Now it's a whole different ballgame, being cap compliant, having dead money on the cap, sending guys up and down for cap savings etc.  It's all so stupid.  I just want to see them play.

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« Reply #68 on: July 24, 2019, 09:05:37 AM »
For me, there is a large enough sample size of transactions to just not care too much about cap implications of moves that have already been made. Pridham has demonstrated an understanding of the CBA (that he helped write) beyond what the media and even some teams are aware of. It's fun to understand eventually, but I'm not feeling fretful.

Just making a mental comparison of the cap situation at each changeover recently (Nonis, Lamoriello), the Leafs have a remarkably tight at the moment, but clean sheet going forward even with the forward-heavy allocation.

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« Reply #69 on: July 24, 2019, 09:05:57 AM »
What the last 24 hours have hammered home is, it was way easier being a hockey fan when I was a kid.  You didn't have to worry about cap hits, contract values etc.  You either had good players or bad players and whether your favorite guy made $10M or $1M it didn't really matter cause they were part of the team.  Every trade was only scrutinized insofar as the play on the ice.  Now it's a whole different ballgame, being cap compliant, having dead money on the cap, sending guys up and down for cap savings etc.  It's all so stupid.  I just want to see them play.
   


So so so true. I AGREE 100%.

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« Reply #70 on: July 24, 2019, 09:09:59 AM »
For me, there is a large enough sample size of transactions to just not care too much about cap implications of moves that have already been made. Pridham has demonstrated an understanding of the CBA (that he helped write) beyond what the media and even some teams are aware of. It's fun to understand eventually, but I'm not feeling fretful.

Just making a mental comparison of the cap situation at each changeover recently (Nonis, Lamoriello), the Leafs have a remarkably tight at the moment, but clean sheet going forward even with the forward-heavy allocation.

I have no doubt the guys in the front office are smart and will navigate around the cap, but just transport this team back 30 years ago and Marner would already be signed, we'd have Gardiner back, maybe other guys too because money wouldn't be an object.  It's frustrating to be limited in what you can do because of the cap.

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Re: Leafs Re-Aquire David Clarkson
« Reply #71 on: July 24, 2019, 09:10:44 AM »
I still believe there is a Gardner factor playing out in this Marner contract. The Leafs want him and I think as well with him we will have by far the best six pack in the NHL.

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Re: Leafs Re-Aquire David Clarkson
« Reply #72 on: July 24, 2019, 09:13:14 AM »
I still believe there is a Gardner factor playing out in this Marner contract. The Leafs want him and I think as well with him we will have by far the best six pack in the NHL.

Barring a trade I don't see any way that Gardiner fits in.  If Marner eats up $10M or so, that's it for the cap even with the LTIR factor.

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Re: Leafs Re-Aquire David Clarkson
« Reply #73 on: July 24, 2019, 09:26:06 AM »
For me, there is a large enough sample size of transactions to just not care too much about cap implications of moves that have already been made. Pridham has demonstrated an understanding of the CBA (that he helped write) beyond what the media and even some teams are aware of. It's fun to understand eventually, but I'm not feeling fretful.

Just making a mental comparison of the cap situation at each changeover recently (Nonis, Lamoriello), the Leafs have a remarkably tight at the moment, but clean sheet going forward even with the forward-heavy allocation.

I have no doubt the guys in the front office are smart and will navigate around the cap, but just transport this team back 30 years ago and Marner would already be signed, we'd have Gardiner back, maybe other guys too because money wouldn't be an object.  It's frustrating to be limited in what you can do because of the cap.

Transport this team back 30 years ago and yea, we definitely would have had Ritchie and Hanifin already signed ;)

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Re: Leafs Re-Aquire David Clarkson
« Reply #74 on: July 24, 2019, 09:33:13 AM »
What’s amusing to me is that having less talented players doesn’t necessarily mean fewer cap issues.

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Re: Leafs Re-Aquire David Clarkson
« Reply #74 on: July 24, 2019, 09:33:13 AM »