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Re: Commissioner for a Day
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2019, 12:57:37 PM »
It's interesting to see all the high sticking stuff. I agree that the 2/4 minute thing depending on a tiny cut is pretty tenuous but maybe I just still have Bryan Berard flashbacks because I think the damage high sticks can do is so serious that it needs to be treated more severely than, say, holding.

We've recently had mandatory visors come into the league though, and while they won't prevent every single high sticking injury they do help.

Also I went to check out the exact wording of the rule to see what it says and apparently it doesn't even specifically mention blood like I thought it did:

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60.3 Double-minor Penalty - When a player carries or holds any part of
his stick above the shoulders of the opponent so that injury results,
the Referee shall assess a double-minor penalty for all contact that
causes an injury, whether accidental or careless, in the opinion of the
Referee.

So basically, just stop saying bleeding = "injury" because that's really not the case. At least not in hockey terms.

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Re: Commissioner for a Day
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2019, 12:58:24 PM »
It's interesting to see all the high sticking stuff. I agree that the 2/4 minute thing depending on a tiny cut is pretty tenuous but maybe I just still have Bryan Berard flashbacks because I think the damage high sticks can do is so serious that it needs to be treated more severely than, say, holding.

Before mandatory visors, it was much more necessary, but, now that every player entering the league wears some form of eye protection, it feels less threatening.

It was also weird that only high sticking had an extra penalty for accidentally causing an injury.
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Re: Commissioner for a Day
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2019, 01:03:46 PM »
I wish the search function here was a little better so I could find all the times I've complained about this rule. It's gotta be like 3% of my posts.

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Re: Commissioner for a Day
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2019, 01:22:08 PM »
We've recently had mandatory visors come into the league though, and while they won't prevent every single high sticking injury they do help.

Yeah but I guess I'm still just thinking about the potential for permanent injury. Sticks around the eyes are one thing but we could just as easily be talking about knocking out teeth or hitting a guy in the neck...two minutes for that seems a bit flimsy is all.
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Re: Commissioner for a Day
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2019, 01:27:20 PM »
Yeah but I guess I'm still just thinking about the potential for permanent injury. Sticks around the eyes are one thing but we could just as easily be talking about knocking out teeth or hitting a guy in the neck...two minutes for that seems a bit flimsy is all.

Lots of penalties like slashing and boarding have potential major and match penalties attached to them if there's a larger element of danger involved in the infraction at the time. I think you can still protect against that without the need for an automatic additional 2 minutes for drawing blood.

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Re: Commissioner for a Day
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2019, 01:39:53 PM »
Lots of penalties like slashing and boarding have potential major and match penalties attached to them if there's a larger element of danger involved in the infraction at the time. I think you can still protect against that without the need for an automatic additional 2 minutes for drawing blood.

No, I agree I'd get rid of the 2/4 thing. What I'm saying is that the potential for damage with high sticks is so great, even when it's entirely accidental like with Berard, that there should be a more severe penalty for it than just two minutes so as to emphasize the importance of keeping sticks down.
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Re: Commissioner for a Day
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2019, 03:00:26 PM »
~No offside. You want to plant a guy in the other teams zone, go for it.
~Goalies can play the puck wherever they want. Only the NHL punishes talent. Also no restrictions to where a goalie can go.
~ No shootouts. Keep OT, play 3 on 3 until someone wins. Also in OT, you are not allowed to exit/carry the puck out of the zone once entering it.
~As mentioned. Penalty is full length regardless if team scores.
~Automatic game for fighting

4. Contracts:
- allow mutually-agreed termination of contract, provided player must not re-sign with same team or be traded back to that team during that season
This is already allowed. Player has to pass through waivers before contract is terminated.


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Re: Commissioner for a Day
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2019, 03:24:52 PM »
Treat high sticks like boarding/charging a major at the discretion of the ref in case of injury.

I like that major vs. minor can be reviewable next season.

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Re: Commissioner for a Day
« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2019, 03:25:13 PM »
4. Contracts:
- allow mutually-agreed termination of contract, provided player must not re-sign with same team or be traded back to that team during that season
This is already allowed. Player has to pass through waivers before contract is terminated.

This isn't truly a mutual termination though. This is the club choosing to terminate a contract.

I'm talking about a mutual termination where the club and player can just decide to rip up a contract and move on their merry way.

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Re: Commissioner for a Day
« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2019, 04:24:50 PM »
4. Contracts:
- allow mutually-agreed termination of contract, provided player must not re-sign with same team or be traded back to that team during that season
This is already allowed. Player has to pass through waivers before contract is terminated.

It's only allowed in very specific circumstances - it usually means the player is leaving the NHL.
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Re: Commissioner for a Day
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2019, 04:52:23 PM »
4. Contracts:
- allow mutually-agreed termination of contract, provided player must not re-sign with same team or be traded back to that team during that season
This is already allowed. Player has to pass through waivers before contract is terminated.

It's only allowed in very specific circumstances - it usually means the player is leaving the NHL.
Most do leave the NHL but specific only circumstances? Don't buy it. Patrik Berglund was a scratch a few games, didn't like his situation in Buffalo and refused to show, so he and the Sabres came to an agreement and his contract was mutually terminated. While he didn't play for another NHL team, there was nothing stopping him from doing so. In this instance the player initiated the parting by forcing the Sabres to suspend him by not showing up.



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Re: Commissioner for a Day
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2019, 05:06:28 PM »
In that case, he failed to fulfill the terms of his SPC, which allowed the club to terminate the contract.

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« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2019, 05:16:39 PM »
In that case, he failed to fulfill the terms of his SPC, which allowed the club to terminate the contract.
But it was initiated by HIM, not the team. He showed up, became a healthy scratch a few times, said screw this and didn't show. HE forced the Sabres to do something and when the sides got together after the Sabres had no choice but to suspend him, THEY mutually terminated the contract.

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Re: Commissioner for a Day
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2019, 05:41:42 PM »
I agree, there has to be a way to move anchor players for a maxed out team.  I would take one of the 3 following situations:

1.  Each team gets 1 cap free buyout (Full $ to player) of a player once every 2 years - player becomes UFA regardless of status. This along with a 5 year max contract would work well for me and might result in more player movement. It would save certain teams from seriously hurting themselves by giving up a first round pick to unload a contract anchor (I know I know don't sign the anchor in the first place - yet most teams will have someone). 

2.  Trading of cap space which has been talked about before?  Not sure where I fall on that one.

3.  One designated player drafted by your team exempt from counting against the cap.

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Re: Commissioner for a Day
« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2019, 07:12:17 PM »
Most do leave the NHL but specific only circumstances? Don't buy it. Patrik Berglund was a scratch a few games, didn't like his situation in Buffalo and refused to show, so he and the Sabres came to an agreement and his contract was mutually terminated. While he didn't play for another NHL team, there was nothing stopping him from doing so. In this instance the player initiated the parting by forcing the Sabres to suspend him by not showing up.

You dont have to buy it. Its explicitly defined in the standard player contract. Contracts can only be terminated for a material breach of contract or other failure to meet the terms of the contract. Berglund failed to show for team mandated activities like practices and such, which constituted a material breach. Other players left for a European team - also a material breach.
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