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Re: Leafs trade Kadri+ to Colorado for Barrie+
« Reply #75 on: July 01, 2019, 08:32:54 PM »

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« Reply #76 on: July 01, 2019, 08:33:10 PM »
Wanted to look at the Leafs cap situation with all these moves today. First, let's assume the roster looks like this (lines can be adjusted, that's not the point of this)

Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Mikheyev-Keroot-Kapanen
Moore-Shore-Spezza
Petan

Rielly-Dermott
Muzzin-Barrie
Borgman-Ceci
Harpur

Andersen
Hutchinson

For the RFA's, lets say Marner gets $10mil, Ceci gets $4.5mil, and Kerfoot gets $2.8mil (that one's based off Evolving Wild's contract projections). That roster, plus Kessel's retained salary and minus Horton on the LTIR comes to $80.6mil. So just enough to fit in another below $1mil player to be the 23rd guy on the roster (Agostino or Gauthier or Bracco or Marincin or Borgman or Holl or whoever).

Some extra room can come if we just ditch Ceci and replace him with someone at a quarter of that cap hit. Or if we bridge Marner and get an extra couple million. But we're pretty much right at the limit as things stand now.

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« Reply #77 on: July 01, 2019, 08:33:32 PM »
Is there any scenario now where the leafs can sign Gardiner and Marner?

Even if the Leafs could afford the former, where does he play? 3rd pairing? I don't see how they'd commit any significant dollars to a D that isn't RH at this stage.
Forgot about that part. You're right, can't spend that much on a bottom pairing D man. Maybe the Leafs, if they end up having some money left over will go after a backup?

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Re: Leafs trade Kadri+ to Colorado for Barrie+
« Reply #78 on: July 01, 2019, 08:34:14 PM »
Even if the Leafs could afford the former, where does he play? 3rd pairing? I don't see how they'd commit any significant dollars to a D that isn't RH at this stage.

It's obviously not this simple but if the choice was between Ceci and Gardiner and they chose Ceci because of handedness...I think that would be a very bad decision.
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Re: Leafs trade Kadri+ to Colorado for Barrie+
« Reply #79 on: July 01, 2019, 08:38:07 PM »
Even if the Leafs could afford the former, where does he play? 3rd pairing? I don't see how they'd commit any significant dollars to a D that isn't RH at this stage.

It's obviously not this simple but if the choice was between Ceci and Gardiner and they chose Ceci because of handedness...I think that would be a very bad decision.

Exactly.

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« Reply #80 on: July 01, 2019, 08:39:45 PM »
Rielly-Dermott
Muzzin-Barrie
Borgman-Ceci
Harpur

This is probably a discussion for another thread but the fact that the Leafs don't have a couple of 21 or 22 year old defensemen who are really knocking on the door for one of those bottom pairing spots represents a real failure on the part of the guys who ran the 2014-2016 drafts.
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Re: Leafs trade Kadri+ to Colorado for Barrie+
« Reply #81 on: July 01, 2019, 08:43:29 PM »
Wanted to look at the Leafs cap situation with all these moves today. First, let's assume the roster looks like this (lines can be adjusted, that's not the point of this)

Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Mikheyev-Keroot-Kapanen
Moore-Shore-Spezza
Petan

Rielly-Dermott
Muzzin-Barrie
Borgman-Ceci
Harpur

Andersen
Hutchinson

For the RFA's, lets say Marner gets $10mil, Ceci gets $4.5mil, and Kerfoot gets $2.8mil (that one's based off Evolving Wild's contract projections). That roster, plus Kessel's retained salary and minus Horton on the LTIR comes to $80.6mil. So just enough to fit in another below $1mil player to be the 23rd guy on the roster (Agostino or Gauthier or Bracco or Marincin or Borgman or Holl or whoever).

Some extra room can come if we just ditch Ceci and replace him with someone at a quarter of that cap hit. Or if we bridge Marner and get an extra couple million. But we're pretty much right at the limit as things stand now.

You think the Leafs traded for a RHD to not play with Rielly?

I feel.like Spezzas should be 4C and Moore deserves to.be Top 9

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« Reply #82 on: July 01, 2019, 08:45:28 PM »
You think the Leafs traded for a RHD to not play with Rielly?

Rielly and Barrie are pretty identical defencemen so it'd be best to have them on separate pairs. They'll crush minutes together when the Leafs need a goal like Rielly and Gardiner did but for the most part having one of them on the ice for say 80% of the game is better than having them on the ice together all the time.

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« Reply #83 on: July 01, 2019, 08:46:03 PM »
Even if the Leafs could afford the former, where does he play? 3rd pairing? I don't see how they'd commit any significant dollars to a D that isn't RH at this stage.

It's obviously not this simple but if the choice was between Ceci and Gardiner and they chose Ceci because of handedness...I think that would be a very bad decision.

Exactly.

Money would def have to enter into it as well. As per usual, we'll have to see what Dubas does moving forward. If Dubas does sign Gardiner and not Ceci, where does he play? Do you move Rielly to the right side with Gardiner or Muzz? Barrie with Gardiner doesn't sound like a good pair to me. They could be, I just look at it and shake my head

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« Reply #84 on: July 01, 2019, 08:46:21 PM »
Rielly-Dermott
Muzzin-Barrie
Borgman-Ceci
Harpur

This is probably a discussion for another thread but the fact that the Leafs don't have a couple of 21 or 22 year old defensemen who are really knocking on the door for one of those bottom pairing spots represents a real failure on the part of the guys who ran the 2014-2016 drafts.

Liligren and Sandin I say are capable of bottom pairing if given the chance.

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« Reply #85 on: July 01, 2019, 08:50:35 PM »
Money would def have to enter into it as well. As per usual, we'll have to see what Dubas does moving forward. If Dubas does sign Gardiner and not Ceci, where does he play? Do you move Rielly to the right side with Gardiner or Muzz? Barrie with Gardiner doesn't sound like a good pair to me. They could be, I just look at it and shake my head

I think if you could swing that, and to be fair there's a chance the difference between Ceci and Gardiner could be fairly minimal capwise considering that nobody jumped in with both feet to give Gardiner 7+ million yet, then your top 4 is pretty easily:

Rielly-Gardiner
Muzzin-Barrie

That's not perfect or anything but I'd probably take it over what the Leafs are going into the season with. I appreciate that the cap makes that very unlikely but I was just saying that the cap should be the roadblock there, not Gardiner's shooting hand.
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« Reply #86 on: July 01, 2019, 08:55:04 PM »
Money would def have to enter into it as well. As per usual, we'll have to see what Dubas does moving forward. If Dubas does sign Gardiner and not Ceci, where does he play? Do you move Rielly to the right side with Gardiner or Muzz? Barrie with Gardiner doesn't sound like a good pair to me. They could be, I just look at it and shake my head

I think if you could swing that, and to be fair there's a chance the difference between Ceci and Gardiner could be fairly minimal capwise considering that nobody jumped in with both feet to give Gardiner 7+ million yet, then your top 4 is pretty easily:

Rielly-Gardiner
Muzzin-Barrie

That's not perfect or anything but I'd probably take it over what the Leafs are going into the season with. I appreciate that the cap makes that very unlikely but I was just saying that the cap should be the roadblock there, not Gardiner's shooting hand.
Definitely. Totally agree with that. Dubas...you're up!

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Re: Leafs trade Kadri+ to Colorado for Barrie+
« Reply #87 on: July 01, 2019, 08:58:20 PM »
Liligren and Sandin I say are capable of bottom pairing if given the chance.

Whether or not that's true, and from what I'm reading is that the general consensus is that both guys might be better off with another year of seasoning, it doesn't change the fact that the Leafs really should have added more in the way of defensive prospects in the three years I highlighted. What look like burned picks in Nielsen and Greenway were very unhelpful.
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Re: Leafs trade Kadri+ to Colorado for Barrie+
« Reply #88 on: July 01, 2019, 08:58:36 PM »
They'd have to dump Hyman for a pick and 2 of the extra D men. Leafs are listed with 8 right now without Ceci. So Hyman plus 1.4 gives you 2.6, added to the 3.5 and you get to 6 mill. It would be very tight.

Yeah. The more and more I look at it though I think Ceci stays. Someone has to play with Rielly and either Dubas has one more rabbit to pull out of his hat or there's not much in the way of options.
Totally agree. I think Ceci stays. I can't see them paying Gardiner 6-7 mill. He's just not good enough for that kind of money. I also don't see them wanting to dump Hyman for literally nothing. Maybe Dubas has another surprise for us??



Your dedication to trading Hyman in every thread amazes me ;)
Every thread is a little overstated. I'm also not dedicated. Just a realist when it comes to his salary and the crunch we're under. Brown was sacrificed today and it could have been Hyman. Same kind of player.
I think a two-year deal for Ceci would be best. Just enough time to figure out if he's a fit long term. Don't want him to be a UFA next year at same time Leafs have Muzzin and Barrie both with UFA status, unless the Leafs lock one or both up earlier, but that's not likely with all the Cap uncertainties.

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Re: Leafs trade Kadri+ to Colorado for Barrie+
« Reply #89 on: July 01, 2019, 09:00:06 PM »
I had my suspicions that Kadri would go.  And boy, what a way to go.  Nice deal!

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