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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #135 on: July 01, 2019, 10:11:29 AM »
For what it's worth, Evolving-Wild's wins and goals above replacement models both have Ceci ranked above Zaitsev (but neither of their numbers are anything to write home about).

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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #136 on: July 01, 2019, 10:13:18 AM »
Hainsey will be good with the young D.

I have my doubts about that. The on ice impact of mentorship is over stated.
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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #137 on: July 01, 2019, 10:14:12 AM »
For what it's worth, Evolving-Wild's wins and goals above replacement models both have Ceci ranked above Zaitsev (but neither of their numbers are anything to write home about).
Was Ceci played too high up for the Sens? Maybe less minutes he may be more effective

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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #138 on: July 01, 2019, 10:19:14 AM »
For what it's worth, Evolving-Wild's wins and goals above replacement models both have Ceci ranked above Zaitsev (but neither of their numbers are anything to write home about).
Was Ceci played too high up for the Sens? Maybe less minutes he may be more effective

Giving any bad player fewer minutes is going to be a positive. The problem is, the Leafs are short a lot of good defencemen. I sure hope Dubas has some sort of plan here, because starting the season with Reilly, Muzzin and a bunch of ahl'ers is not going to work out well.

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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #139 on: July 01, 2019, 10:29:22 AM »
For what it's worth, Evolving-Wild's wins and goals above replacement models both have Ceci ranked above Zaitsev (but neither of their numbers are anything to write home about).
Was Ceci played too high up for the Sens? Maybe less minutes he may be more effective

Giving any bad player fewer minutes is going to be a positive. The problem is, the Leafs are short a lot of good defencemen. I sure hope Dubas has some sort of plan here, because starting the season with Reilly, Muzzin and a bunch of ahl'ers is not going to work out well.
On paper yes, but we dont know. Liljegren, Borgman, Rosen whoever could do well if they're here. We just dont know until it happens.

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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #140 on: July 01, 2019, 10:33:35 AM »
On paper yes, but we dont know. Liljegren, Borgman, Rosen whoever could do well if they're here. We just dont know until it happens.

Hopefully no one in the leaf brass shares the "well, we could win lotto max instead of planning for retirement" approach to sports management.

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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #141 on: July 01, 2019, 10:39:14 AM »
For what it's worth, Evolving-Wild's wins and goals above replacement models both have Ceci ranked above Zaitsev (but neither of their numbers are anything to write home about).
Was Ceci played too high up for the Sens? Maybe less minutes he may be more effective

Giving any bad player fewer minutes is going to be a positive. The problem is, the Leafs are short a lot of good defencemen. I sure hope Dubas has some sort of plan here, because starting the season with Reilly, Muzzin and a bunch of ahl'ers is not going to work out well.
I think any rational human being would know that Dubas has a plan.
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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #142 on: July 01, 2019, 10:40:21 AM »
On paper yes, but we dont know. Liljegren, Borgman, Rosen whoever could do well if they're here. We just dont know until it happens.

Hopefully no one in the leaf brass shares the "well, we could win lotto max instead of planning for retirement" approach to sports management.


I get the sentiment, but rather than lottery ticket total crapshoot less than 0.1% chance or whatever, these are players they've been developing and watching longer than any of us so they can project what they'll be. Not exactly a total shot in the dark.

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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #143 on: July 01, 2019, 10:41:41 AM »
On paper yes, but we dont know. Liljegren, Borgman, Rosen whoever could do well if they're here. We just dont know until it happens.

Hopefully no one in the leaf brass shares the "well, we could win lotto max instead of planning for retirement" approach to sports management.

So what sort of approach to upgrading the Leafs defense should management take given their limited cap space?
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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #144 on: July 01, 2019, 10:42:20 AM »
I say again, bring up all the young dudes and let Freddie bail them out (or not) as they learn. It's the only way.

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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #145 on: July 01, 2019, 10:43:06 AM »
On paper yes, but we dont know. Liljegren, Borgman, Rosen whoever could do well if they're here. We just dont know until it happens.

Hopefully no one in the leaf brass shares the "well, we could win lotto max instead of planning for retirement" approach to sports management.

Lol. No. Thatís not a good approach.
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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #146 on: July 01, 2019, 10:43:15 AM »
On paper yes, but we dont know. Liljegren, Borgman, Rosen whoever could do well if they're here. We just dont know until it happens.

Hopefully no one in the leaf brass shares the "well, we could win lotto max instead of planning for retirement" approach to sports management.

So what sort of approach to upgrading the Leafs defense should management take given their limited cap space?

Trade.

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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #147 on: July 01, 2019, 10:45:51 AM »
Trade.

Trade who? And for who? And what reason is there to believe that the Forward for Defense trade market has gotten a lot better?
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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #148 on: July 01, 2019, 10:46:40 AM »
On paper yes, but we dont know. Liljegren, Borgman, Rosen whoever could do well if they're here. We just dont know until it happens.

Hopefully no one in the leaf brass shares the "well, we could win lotto max instead of planning for retirement" approach to sports management.
The season doesnt start tomorrow. I suspect Dubas has a plan but I still stand by what I said. We wont know if any of the AHLers will succeed until they're actually here. We'll see.

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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #149 on: July 01, 2019, 10:49:17 AM »
Sounds like there may have been a trade for Kadri in the works that fell thru. Iím sure the Leafs havenít stopped taking calls on their forwards to try and turn one of them into a top D-man.
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