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What would be your ideal NHL compensation structure?

Hard Cap, same as now
0 (0%)
Soft Cap + Luxury Tax + Hard Cap
3 (15%)
Soft Cap + Luxury Tax(NBA model)
11 (55%)
No Cap
6 (30%)

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Voting closed: July 04, 2019, 09:15:20 AM

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The Salary Cap
« on: June 27, 2019, 09:15:20 AM »

So now that the Leafs are caught up in the hard/ugly side of the cap instead of the "Yeah, we'll take bad contracts for picks" side they'd been in for years I'm wondering if the general view of the cap has changed around here. I don't think I was quite alone in thinking the cap was a bad idea during the lockouts but it definitely didn't feel like a popular opinion. Either way, the absurdity of the Leafs not being able to "afford" a player like Jake Gardiner feels like it should be winning some converts my way.

So what say you, TMLfans? Still backing the necessity of a hard cap to keep the Phoenixes and Carolinas afloat? Wanting to see some increased flexibility? Or are you, like me, as firmly as ever in the "Caps are bad" school?
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Re: The Salary Cap
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2019, 09:55:04 AM »
I went with no cap, while being fully aware that it will never happen. I can't even see a soft cap being implemented any time in the foreseeable future, definitely not in the next round of CBA negotiations.

An interesting question is, would the owners give up a cap in exchange for non-guaranteed contracts?

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Re: The Salary Cap
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2019, 09:56:32 AM »
A hard cap system that is for the greater good of all seems very, well....... communist.

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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2019, 10:29:02 AM »
i think the markets that generate the most revenue should be able to spend more on their teams if they wish to...so a luxury tax might work...

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Re: The Salary Cap
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2019, 10:32:18 AM »
An interesting question is, would the owners give up a cap in exchange for non-guaranteed contracts?

I doubt either side would like that trade-off. Especially the players though.

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Re: The Salary Cap
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2019, 11:04:08 AM »

So now that the Leafs are caught up in the hard/ugly side of the cap instead of the "Yeah, we'll take bad contracts for picks" side they'd been in for years I'm wondering if the general view of the cap has changed around here. I don't think I was quite alone in thinking the cap was a bad idea during the lockouts but it definitely didn't feel like a popular opinion. Either way, the absurdity of the Leafs not being able to "afford" a player like Jake Gardiner feels like it should be winning some converts my way.

So what say you, TMLfans? Still backing the necessity of a hard cap to keep the Phoenixes and Carolinas afloat? Wanting to see some increased flexibility? Or are you, like me, as firmly as ever in the "Caps are bad" school?

Is there any true leaf fan who thinks the cap is beneficial for the leafs?

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Re: The Salary Cap
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2019, 11:07:01 AM »
I went with no cap, while being fully aware that it will never happen. I can't even see a soft cap being implemented any time in the foreseeable future, definitely not in the next round of CBA negotiations.

An interesting question is, would the owners give up a cap in exchange for non-guaranteed contracts?

It is hard for me to imagine any circumstances that would cause a change from the current hard cap.  So this poll isn't about what we think will happen, just what we would prefer.

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Re: The Salary Cap
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2019, 11:25:20 AM »
What's the Coles Notes version of the NBA system?

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Re: The Salary Cap
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2019, 11:47:10 AM »
What's the Coles Notes version of the NBA system?

There is a cap, but they allow you to exceed to keep your own players (and some other situations).

If you go too high though, you pay a luxury tax. I believe the tax rate increases if you goes if you exceed it in consecutive years.

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2019, 11:48:17 AM »
I think perhaps a NBA-style soft cap would be an improvement without turning half the league's teams into perennial non-viable laughing stocks. Let the wealthy teams pay a luxury tax that scales up somewhat exponentially to discourage too much disparity but at least reward the big market teams to some degree.
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Re: The Salary Cap
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2019, 11:52:05 AM »
What's the Coles Notes version of the NBA system?

Basically there's no upper limit to what a team can spend on their own players although there's a luxury tax system that gets gradually more and more punitive the further above the threshold a team goes.

In order to sign free agents from another team then you need to be under the "cap"(with some exceptions for low-tier free agents for teams that are over the cap).
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Re: The Salary Cap
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2019, 11:55:00 AM »
An interesting question is, would the owners give up a cap in exchange for non-guaranteed contracts?

I doubt either side would like that trade-off. Especially the players though.

While you're probably right, I always wonder there about something like the NFL where contracts aren't necessarily guaranteed(although teams can guarantee as much of a contract as they want or make the triggers for bonuses as hard/easy as they want) but they aren't guaranteed either way. So, like, a lot of people think of David Clarkson as they kind of guy who gets hurt by non-guaranteed deals but what about Naz Kadri being able to tear up his deal?
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Re: The Salary Cap
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2019, 12:31:58 PM »
I prefer no cap, although I know that'll never happen now at this point.  I don't mind a soft cap -- teams go over a certain threshold, and they pay a luxury tax which can be distributed amongst the poorer teams.  But doesn't restrict rich teams from spending what they are willing to spend. 

The hard cap is bogus as it caters to the league's weaklings.  The league should not be about keeping Phoenix, Florida, Carolina and Ottawa afloat at the expense of Toronto, New York, Philadelphia.  Whether any of the rich teams spend $81.5 million of $125 million, those poor teams will still be pinching pennies with a $40 million payroll.  If anything, the floor should be more punitive (higher) forcing these teams to spend more.

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Re: The Salary Cap
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2019, 12:39:50 PM »
While you're probably right, I always wonder there about something like the NFL where contracts aren't necessarily guaranteed(although teams can guarantee as much of a contract as they want or make the triggers for bonuses as hard/easy as they want) but they aren't guaranteed either way. So, like, a lot of people think of David Clarkson as they kind of guy who gets hurt by non-guaranteed deals but what about Naz Kadri being able to tear up his deal?

I guess I threw that term out without really knowing enough about that. Non-guaranteed contracts in the NFL work both ways? Players can back out of them as well?

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Re: The Salary Cap
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2019, 12:51:33 PM »
While you're probably right, I always wonder there about something like the NFL where contracts aren't necessarily guaranteed(although teams can guarantee as much of a contract as they want or make the triggers for bonuses as hard/easy as they want) but they aren't guaranteed either way. So, like, a lot of people think of David Clarkson as they kind of guy who gets hurt by non-guaranteed deals but what about Naz Kadri being able to tear up his deal?

I guess I threw that term out without really knowing enough about that. Non-guaranteed contracts in the NFL work both ways? Players can back out of them as well?

No, I don't think that's true, hence the Le'veon Bell situation with Pittsburgh last year.