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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
« Reply #930 on: August 08, 2019, 10:55:12 AM »
This is an unforgettable sign off.

I also think he means kissing rather than licking, but I am not well versed in Russian idioms.

What a godsend to the fanfic community though.

The British version of someone who acted in the north American ass kiss fashion would indeed be colloquially known as a "lick"  or you would "lick up" to someone. Basically the same behaviour yeah.
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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
« Reply #931 on: August 08, 2019, 11:14:03 AM »
Going through KHL rosters and spotting all the former NHLers/Leafs can be pretty fun sometimes, here's Mikheyev's team last season:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0050162019.html

Evgeny Medvedev, defence: Tried to break into the NHL at the age of 33 with Philly a year before Zaitsev crossed over. Things didn't work out on or off the ice and he was back in the KHL the following year.

David Desharnais, centre: Played for the Habs for almost a decade, had a career high of 60 points in 11/12. Probably always played higher in the line-up than he should have due to their lack of high-end centres. Fizzled out of the NHL once he hit 30 years old.

Cody Franson: defence: Everyone's favourite RHD! His first season in the KHL. Had a decent season offensively there but exploded in the playoffs with 18 points in 19 games. Not enough for a NHL comeback it seems though.

Alexei Emelin, defence: Another long-time Hab. This was his first season back in Russia.

Ville Pokka, defence: This name might be familiar to some here since he was a player some would often target in trade rumours. An Islanders trade pick who was traded to Chicago. Pokka was a right-handed defenceman who generally put up good scoring numbers in the AHL. He never got a shot in the NHL though.

Taylor Beck, forward: A former Leaf! Sorta. Beck was a journeyman 4th liner with 92 NHL games. The Leafs acquired him from Nashville for Jamie Devane in July of 2015, and in September of 2015 he was dealt to the Islanders in the Grabner trade.

Viktor Stalberg, forward: A former Leaf! The big, speedy winger is 33 years which doesn't make me feel old in any way.

Maxime Talbot, forward: I love seeing names like these. Talbot has over 700 NHL games played and was considered a pretty good 4C in the league for a long-time. Was always a bit of a fan of his because I once took part in an Eastside Hockey Manager simulation league where two randomly selected players had their potential turned up to the max and they became huge stars. I had the Penguins and my two players were Talbot and Erik Christensen. Good times. When I saw his name I actually assumed it must have been a different Talbot, can't believe he's still playing.

Alexander Perezhogin, forward: A third former Hab! He only played 2 seasons with Montreal over a decade ago. He's best known for being suspended an entire AHL season for a stick swinging incident.

Kris Versteeg, forward: This former Leaf took his talents overseas for the first time in his career. He only played 11 games in the KHL before deciding he hated it and left the team. He'd later finish the 18/19 season with a team in the Swedish league. He must not have enjoyed that either because he signed an AHL contract to play with Chicago's affiliate for this upcoming season. Versteeg and Stalberg were of course traded for each other (among other parts of the deal) a little over 9 years ago!

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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
« Reply #932 on: August 08, 2019, 11:15:46 AM »
Cody Franson: defence: Everyone's favourite RHD! His first season in the KHL. Had a decent season offensively there but exploded in the playoffs with 18 points in 19 games. Not enough for a NHL comeback it seems though.

Franson signed a two-year deal last season.

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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
« Reply #933 on: August 08, 2019, 11:40:06 AM »
I'm coming in late in this discussion so please bear with me. Imo,

On their own, Oz's statements don't mean much but when you consider the Zaitsev comments and request for a trade; Matthews' statement regarding Kapanen; Leafs treatment of Sparks last year; Dubas failure to sign Nylander to start the season last year and his failure to bring the Marner saga to a close this off season; and finally, the ongoing suggestions about a possible rift between Matthew's and Babcock......is there trouble in paradise?



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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
« Reply #934 on: August 08, 2019, 12:08:09 PM »
I'm coming in late in this discussion so please bear with me. Imo,

On their own, Oz's statements don't mean much but when you consider the Zaitsev comments and request for a trade; Matthews' statement regarding Kapanen; Leafs treatment of Sparks last year; Dubas failure to sign Nylander to start the season last year and his failure to bring the Marner saga to a close this off season; and finally, the ongoing suggestions about a possible rift between Matthew's and Babcock......is there trouble in paradise?

Also rift between Dubas and Babcock.

When you can't make it out of the first round year after year, there's going to be, and should be trouble.

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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
« Reply #935 on: August 08, 2019, 12:13:56 PM »
Ozhiganov was fairly positive about the coach. He was commenting on the chummy-wummy culture of North American sports relative to the stoic KHL.

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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
« Reply #936 on: August 08, 2019, 12:26:44 PM »

Considering that North America has a sports culture where any even remote sign of independance or a lack of willingness to show complete deference to authority gets you labelled a troublemaker or a weirdo(Remember how Kyle Wellwood...gasp...sometimes read books?) then it's not shocking that someone who isn't used to that would find it a bit strange. Especially for end of the roster guys where getting in good with a coach can mean the difference between playing and not playing.
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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
« Reply #937 on: August 08, 2019, 12:45:47 PM »
So apparently Holl doesn't lick ass or lick ass well enough eh?  And here we thought he was just a bad d-man.

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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
« Reply #938 on: August 08, 2019, 01:03:18 PM »
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/8/8/20791361/much-ado-about-igor-ozhiganov-mike-babcock-what-did-he-really-say-about-licking-maple-leafs


I wanted to post that tweet from this article here directly because I don't think enough people are seeing it. Oz's comment really wasn't nearly as controversial as it was made out to be. Why would a Russian hockey writer post a literal word for word English translation of what a player said when he knew that it would be taken massively out of context? Well, gotta get those August RTs I guess. But there's really nothing to see here.

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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
« Reply #939 on: August 08, 2019, 01:06:48 PM »
Thanks Carlton. I tried to highlight it earlier when I linked the PPP article, but the tweet wasn't coming up at the time for some reason.

Out of context pull quotes are a great bellweather for confirmation bias to show up.

Ozhiganov also mentioned how Babcock was always demonstrating that he cared about every player as a whole person and created a family atmosphere.
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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
« Reply #940 on: August 08, 2019, 01:20:10 PM »

Considering that North America has a sports culture where any even remote sign of independance or a lack of willingness to show complete deference to authority gets you labelled a troublemaker or a weirdo(Remember how Kyle Wellwood...gasp...sometimes read books?) then it's not shocking that someone who isn't used to that would find it a bit strange. Especially for end of the roster guys where getting in good with a coach can mean the difference between playing and not playing.

I'm glad you've brought up this Wellwood character.

He was tubby egghead who refused to do the dirty work of getting his hands dirty in the dirty corners, and on top of that he refused to suck up to PQ because of "qualms" (his biggity word) he "elicited" (another one) from his "hermaneutical analysis" (nothing to do with our herman, just a $10-dollar synonym for "reading") of Plato's "Euthyphro" (don't bother with it, a real yawner).

So it's not just Russkies who transgress "the culture."  Now, admittedly, Kyle also transgressed a few cheeseburgers during his playing days, but that's neither here nor there.

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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
« Reply #941 on: August 08, 2019, 01:21:58 PM »
One of the comments in the linked article led to this old Jack Han* piece that I missed previously, which I really like. It's about the levels of analysis as pertains to hockey and features a shoutout to the Leafs development system:
https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/analysis/2015/5/26/8656359/the-three-levels-of-alexei-emelin-analytics-player-development

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During the 2013-14 season, I often worked from the Bell Centre's pressbox during Habs games. Emelin sat out the first part of the season while rehabbing his knee, and would sit by himself with a coffee and watch the game alone on one of the seats designated for scratched players. In contrast, Hamilton Bulldogs call-ups would often sit together and talk amongst themselves.

One night, I walked down to the media lounge to get a bottle of water. Randomly, I decided to grab one for Emelin as well. When I handed him the bottle, I could see on his face a look of genuine gratefulness. And yet he said nothing. He froze, as if he couldn't express himself in a language other than Russian.

I repeated the water experiment a few more times throughout the season. Always the same result. He was always obviously happy, but I don't think he ever once managed to say a word.

And so whenever I watch Emelin in yet another moment of indecision on the ice, I wonder to myself, "what would happen if he started working with a public speaking coach, in English?" I suspect that not only would he become a more effective communicator with his teammates and coaches, but that the breathing techniques he could learn would also allow him to better manage his stress level on the ice and make more confident, level-headed plays when the pressure is on.

* Han works for the Leafs now, previously as part of the player development team and now in hockey operations.

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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
« Reply #942 on: August 08, 2019, 01:23:17 PM »

Considering that North America has a sports culture where any even remote sign of independance or a lack of willingness to show complete deference to authority gets you labelled a troublemaker or a weirdo(Remember how Kyle Wellwood...gasp...sometimes read books?) then it's not shocking that someone who isn't used to that would find it a bit strange. Especially for end of the roster guys where getting in good with a coach can mean the difference between playing and not playing.

I'm glad you've brought up this Wellwood character.

He was tubby egghead who refused to do the dirty work of getting his hands dirty in the dirty corners, and on top of that he refused to suck up to PQ because of "qualms" (his biggity word) he "elicited" (another one) from his "hermaneutical analysis" (nothing to do with our herman, just a $10-dollar synonym for "reading") of Plato's "Euthyphro" (don't bother with it, a real yawner).

So it's not just Russkies who transgress "the culture."  Now, admittedly, Kyle also transgressed a few cheeseburgers during his playing days, but that's neither here nor there.

I believe it's hermenteutical analysis, wherein multiple hermans participate in said analysis.

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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
« Reply #943 on: August 08, 2019, 01:25:36 PM »

Considering that North America has a sports culture where any even remote sign of independance or a lack of willingness to show complete deference to authority gets you labelled a troublemaker or a weirdo(Remember how Kyle Wellwood...gasp...sometimes read books?) then it's not shocking that someone who isn't used to that would find it a bit strange. Especially for end of the roster guys where getting in good with a coach can mean the difference between playing and not playing.

I remember Kyle Wellwood less for reading books and more for getting fat.

http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2009/04/kyle-wellwood-is-fat.html

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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
« Reply #944 on: August 08, 2019, 01:31:49 PM »

Considering that North America has a sports culture where any even remote sign of independance or a lack of willingness to show complete deference to authority gets you labelled a troublemaker or a weirdo(Remember how Kyle Wellwood...gasp...sometimes read books?) then it's not shocking that someone who isn't used to that would find it a bit strange. Especially for end of the roster guys where getting in good with a coach can mean the difference between playing and not playing.

I remember Kyle Wellwood less for reading books and more for getting fat.

http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2009/04/kyle-wellwood-is-fat.html

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Re: 2019 Toronto Maple Leafs Offseason Discussion
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