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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #915 on: July 04, 2019, 06:57:29 PM »
I would think someone would try, at least to put the team in a position where they have to make a roster move, but I agree they would have by now.

But doing something just to put the squeeze on another team with no real expectation of landing the player seems exactly like the sort of thing that's a no go in the old boys network. Especially when you probably have to deal with the ramifications yourself at some point.

Maybe. But it's a worse case scenario. An attempt at Mitch for 10.5 is legit if the Leafs have 9 in space. Then worse case is you make life tough for Dubas. And after Montreal's silly attempt...

If Montreal's attempt is the comparable I suspect Dubas would quickly match the $9.5 offer.
He'll match higher than that, but then who is out?

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« Reply #916 on: July 04, 2019, 07:02:21 PM »
I would think someone would try, at least to put the team in a position where they have to make a roster move, but I agree they would have by now.

But doing something just to put the squeeze on another team with no real expectation of landing the player seems exactly like the sort of thing that's a no go in the old boys network. Especially when you probably have to deal with the ramifications yourself at some point.

Maybe. But it's a worse case scenario. An attempt at Mitch for 10.5 is legit if the Leafs have 9 in space. Then worse case is you make life tough for Dubas. And after Montreal's silly attempt...

If Montreal's attempt is the comparable I suspect Dubas would quickly match the $9.5 offer.
He'll match higher than that, but then who is out?

My post was a joke based on Montreal's poor offer sheet.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #917 on: July 04, 2019, 07:18:19 PM »
I would think someone would try, at least to put the team in a position where they have to make a roster move, but I agree they would have by now.

But doing something just to put the squeeze on another team with no real expectation of landing the player seems exactly like the sort of thing that's a no go in the old boys network. Especially when you probably have to deal with the ramifications yourself at some point.

Maybe. But it's a worse case scenario. An attempt at Mitch for 10.5 is legit if the Leafs have 9 in space. Then worse case is you make life tough for Dubas. And after Montreal's silly attempt...

If Montreal's attempt is the comparable I suspect Dubas would quickly match the $9.5 offer.
He'll match higher than that, but then who is out?
Leafs have room at 10.5.  Over it and the decision will have to be made. Dermott and Hyman will be on LTIR and will stay on it until they find room if thats the case.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #918 on: July 04, 2019, 07:32:50 PM »
Max roster is 23, is there a minimum in regards to the Cap?

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« Reply #919 on: July 04, 2019, 08:28:48 PM »
Max roster is 23, is there a minimum in regards to the Cap?

20: 2 goalies and 18 skaters.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #920 on: July 05, 2019, 07:59:20 AM »
Listening to rumors abounding on TSN 1050 this morning that there is "chatter" in NHL circles that an offer sheet could be coming to Marner and that Montreal may be the one doing it.

I am at the point in this where I would rather the Leafs let him go, take the draft picks and the cap space rather than leave themselves with an overpriced contract. If they sign Marner at the max of what any reasonable person thinks he may be worth, it leaves the Leafs with 4 very highly paid forwards and a certainty that they will need to be creative and turn the extra pieces in and out every year or two. I would rather that they have the cap space to resign guys like Muzzin and Barrie.

But hey, whatever I think doesn't matter one bit in any of this, so it's just my two cents.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #921 on: July 05, 2019, 08:01:30 AM »
Listening to rumors abounding on TSN 1050 this morning that there is "chatter" in NHL circles that an offer sheet could be coming to Marner and that Montreal may be the one doing it.

I am at the point in this where I would rather the Leafs let him go, take the draft picks and the cap space rather than leave themselves with an overpriced contract. If they sign Marner at the max of what any reasonable person thinks he may be worth, it leaves the Leafs with 4 very highly paid forwards and a certainty that they will need to be creative and turn the extra pieces in and out every year or two. I would rather that they have the cap space to resign guys like Muzzin and Barrie.

But hey, whatever I think doesn't matter one bit in any of this, so it's just my two cents.
That's based on one tweet from an "insider" on twitter who has been hit and miss over the years on his information.  Also, I highly doubt Marner signs an offer sheet.

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« Reply #922 on: July 05, 2019, 08:02:34 AM »
Listening to rumors abounding on TSN 1050 this morning that there is "chatter" in NHL circles that an offer sheet could be coming to Marner and that Montreal may be the one doing it.

I am at the point in this where I would rather the Leafs let him go, take the draft picks and the cap space rather than leave themselves with an overpriced contract. If they sign Marner at the max of what any reasonable person thinks he may be worth, it leaves the Leafs with 4 very highly paid forwards and a certainty that they will need to be creative and turn the extra pieces in and out every year or two. I would rather that they have the cap space to resign guys like Muzzin and Barrie.

But hey, whatever I think doesn't matter one bit in any of this, so it's just my two cents.

I would be surprised if Montreal did it. They'd have to go to 11 to sign him. If they were willing to do that, why low ball Ago?

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #923 on: July 05, 2019, 08:14:10 AM »
Marner would be different. Mtl tried to strong-arm Carolina financially with the contract structure. They'd know for sure that Tor wouldn't have any issue with signing bonuses, so the AAV would have to be ridiculous.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #924 on: July 05, 2019, 08:24:30 AM »
Marner would be different. Mtl tried to strong-arm Carolina financially with the contract structure. They'd know for sure that Tor wouldn't have any issue with signing bonuses, so the AAV would have to be ridiculous.

Bergevin has been hesitant to give up draft picks, especially first rounders, would he be willing to go to the 4 firsts level?  Doubt it.  He also mentioned in the Aho offer sheet he wanted to offer a contract that would make sense for his team as well, in what world does paying Marner one of the highest contracts in the league make sense for his team?

Of course if the sticking point with Marner and Leafs is the term of 5 years, Bergevin could offer 5 x $10.5M which I think Marner would accept, and it would only be the 2nd tier compensation for picks.  Leafs would match that contract, but it's not one they would be happy with.
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #925 on: July 05, 2019, 08:49:19 AM »
Montreal would have to free up a fair amount of cap space to fit Marner in at anything more than ~$10.5M. Unless they already have some deals lined up, a really significant offer sheet isn't coming from them.

EDIT: Honestly, looking around the league, there really aren't many teams that have the cap space to make a huge offer and aren't facing a similar situation with a prominent RFA of their own. At this point, I don't see an offer sheet coming.
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #926 on: July 05, 2019, 09:00:59 AM »
Montreal would have to free up a fair amount of cap space to fit Marner in at anything more than ~$10.5M. Unless they already have some deals lined up, a really significant offer sheet isn't coming from them.

EDIT: Honestly, looking around the league, there really aren't many teams that have the cap space to make a huge offer and aren't facing a similar situation with a prominent RFA of their own. At this point, I don't see an offer sheet coming.

Pesky details! Even the Islanders, who people are still saying could do it, only have $8.6mil in cap space at the moment per Capfriendly.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #927 on: July 05, 2019, 09:08:10 AM »
Montreal would have to free up a fair amount of cap space to fit Marner in at anything more than ~$10.5M. Unless they already have some deals lined up, a really significant offer sheet isn't coming from them.

EDIT: Honestly, looking around the league, there really aren't many teams that have the cap space to make a huge offer and aren't facing a similar situation with a prominent RFA of their own. At this point, I don't see an offer sheet coming.

Pesky details! Even the Islanders, who people are still saying could do it, only have $8.6mil in cap space at the moment per Capfriendly.

Yep, they seem to think Nick Leddy will be dumped for the cap space, but how many teams are lining up to take 3 years of Nick Leddy at $5.5M without any money going back?   

Colorado has the space but they have their own guy to sign and are probably on good terms with the Leafs after the Kadri deal (given the twitter love-interaction between Colorado twitter and Leafs twitter)

New Jersey?  Maybe -- I could see Shero making a move like this, but then they have Taylor Hall to sign next year and he also has Darren Ferris as an agent so you know that negotiation won't be easy.   Add to that RFA Hischier as well and I don't see Jersey wanting to go down that road.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #928 on: July 05, 2019, 09:08:58 AM »
Montreal would have to free up a fair amount of cap space to fit Marner in at anything more than ~$10.5M. Unless they already have some deals lined up, a really significant offer sheet isn't coming from them.

EDIT: Honestly, looking around the league, there really aren't many teams that have the cap space to make a huge offer and aren't facing a similar situation with a prominent RFA of their own. At this point, I don't see an offer sheet coming.

Pesky details! Even the Islanders, who people are still saying could do it, only have $8.6mil in cap space at the moment per Capfriendly.

Lou, please tender an 8.6M x 7 offersheet. Paul, please sign it.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #929 on: July 05, 2019, 09:38:27 AM »
I'm never going to fault a player for wanting lots of money but I'm really having a hard time caring whether Marner signs an offer sheet or not.  If he does, he clearly doesn't want to be a part of the team so good riddance to him.   I'll enjoy him playing away from Tavares where his production will drop.  He's not a 12.5M player at his current level of play and without Tavares up the middle I think he drops down even further.  The Leafs can't afford/justify that kind of contract and while 4 first rounders are a crap shoot, I'd take that plus the cap space to shore up the defense as a big positive.

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