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« Reply #225 on: May 28, 2019, 12:45:32 PM »
Isn't that what bottle episodes are for?

As far as I know bottle episodes are for saving money. They still have to be worked by production and costume and craft service people and the like.
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« Reply #226 on: May 28, 2019, 01:15:47 PM »
Isn't that what bottle episodes are for?

As far as I know bottle episodes are for saving money. They still have to be worked by production and costume and craft service people and the like.

When done right, they make for really good character development/retrospectives too.

I think having more sit down time with Danaerys, sans dragons, expressing her thoughts, exploring her various relationships would have gone a long way towards convincing more people of this inevitable turn. For the sake of the shock value, I think they held back too much of her internal life from viewers (and even from Emilia). The ending was supposed to be the climax of the parallel and then divergent journeys of two character's we've deeply invested in coming to a head and I felt that this season prioritized spectacle to the detriment of character.

I could have used a whole episode, likely at Dragonstone over Aegon's Table in a war council,  showing how Dany's various advisors tempered her Targaryeaness when discussing how to govern or mete out justice. I know GoT doesn't use flashbacks except through Bran (and that one time with Cersei and the witch), but this would be the perfect opportunity to call back to previous seasons and show the different perspectives on those moments. And when those heads got inevitably snipped, we feel her pain all the more, we see those checks and balances against her Machiavellian desires removed, and the obvious results of a dragon unleashed.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8)
« Reply #227 on: May 28, 2019, 04:36:50 PM »

I think when I look back at the show as a whole, pacing was never it's strongest suit. Somethings felt rushed to the point of irrelevance(Dorne) and some things were dragged out for no real point(Arya learning the same lesson from the Hound week after week as they walked across the country).

Personally, I still feel like they established Danerys' slide into eventual megalomania pretty well. Were some aspects rushed? Sure, but again that was always true of the show. We got, like, three seasons of her in Slaver's Bay learning that ruling a country as a foreign presence was more complicated than just having dragons so it feels like that element of her decision making was pretty well established.

Previously, people forgave a lot of those pacing problems if it had exciting enough conclusions. The stuff with the High Sparrow didn't need to be a whole season long but, well, the explosion was pretty cool so all is forgiven. The endless time wasted on establishing that Ramsay Bolton, easily the show's worst character, was a mean guy absolutely could have been repurposed into more character time with the people we give a damn about...but then he lost a big battle and was eaten by dogs so whatever.

But again, it feels like a lot of that was about the need for the show to get certain characters to certain places at certain times while giving other characters something to do while the meat of the story was taking place elsewhere. Then, when things finally came together, they had a limited amount of time/energy to wrap things up. So some things felt rushed and maybe the biggest setpieces didn't have the heft they did before. I think it's fair if you feel that way but this show was never The Wire or The Sopranos or Mad Men in terms of character or pacing.
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Re: Game of Thrones (S8)
« Reply #228 on: May 28, 2019, 05:31:34 PM »

The documentary they ran the other night on the making of season 8 was pretty tremendous. Some people are using it to say the show shouldn't be criticized when we saw how hard the crew worked on even minor details but I've never been a fan of that argument as people work hard on every film/TV project and I don't want criticism to vanish(and my Brother-In-Law, who works in TV/Film production hates the argument, saying that unless you're specifically criticizing the job he did he's fine with acknowledging that not everything is a masterpiece).

That said, it really did make me appreciate the scale of the production and it does, at the very least, make you acknowledge that given the scale of all of the big setpieces/battles this season that the whole "Just make 3 more episodes to explain everything" thing just wasn't feasible. This was a situation where production realities maybe bumped against narrative purpose and it's hard to fault the production for not wanting to work their people to death.

I thought this was great. The reactions of the staff during the table read were amazing. Really added another dimension to it actually.

Also itís really cool to see so much of my home city and people from here who worked on it. Itís astounding the impact this show has had on helping to transform this country from a war zone 30 years ago to a destination and also developed an entire new industry that I think will really kick on and flourish now
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« Reply #229 on: May 28, 2019, 05:41:12 PM »
Also itís really cool to see so much of my home city and people from here who worked on it. Itís astounding the impact this show has had on helping to transform this country from a war zone 30 years ago to a destination and also developed an entire new industry that I think will really kick on and flourish now

Yeah, the coda in the credits of Andy the Extra becoming a Game of Thrones tour guide was just perfect.
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« Reply #230 on: May 30, 2019, 05:11:45 AM »
Did they have subtitles on it for you? Some of the accents from Northern Ireland I even needed to listen carefully  ;D
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« Reply #231 on: May 31, 2019, 09:52:16 AM »
Did they have subtitles on it for you? Some of the accents from Northern Ireland I even needed to listen carefully  ;D

I'm pretty good with most UK accents. I've watched things like Derry Girls and Trainspotting and understood what everyone was saying.

The only accent I have a little trouble with is really heavy Liverpool. That's basically just noises.
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« Reply #232 on: May 31, 2019, 02:21:20 PM »
I went on a guided tour of Stirling Castle once. I have no idea what the guide said over that hour and a half. I'm fairly certain he was speaking english.

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« Reply #233 on: June 01, 2019, 07:25:48 AM »
If you understood the Derry wans youíre a step ahead of most!
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« Reply #234 on: June 01, 2019, 12:48:08 PM »

I think when I look back at the show as a whole, pacing was never it's strongest suit. Somethings felt rushed to the point of irrelevance(Dorne) and some things were dragged out for no real point(Arya learning the same lesson from the Hound week after week as they walked across the country).

Personally, I still feel like they established Danerys' slide into eventual megalomania pretty well. Were some aspects rushed? Sure, but again that was always true of the show. We got, like, three seasons of her in Slaver's Bay learning that ruling a country as a foreign presence was more complicated than just having dragons so it feels like that element of her decision making was pretty well established.

Previously, people forgave a lot of those pacing problems if it had exciting enough conclusions. The stuff with the High Sparrow didn't need to be a whole season long but, well, the explosion was pretty cool so all is forgiven. The endless time wasted on establishing that Ramsay Bolton, easily the show's worst character, was a mean guy absolutely could have been repurposed into more character time with the people we give a damn about...but then he lost a big battle and was eaten by dogs so whatever.

But again, it feels like a lot of that was about the need for the show to get certain characters to certain places at certain times while giving other characters something to do while the meat of the story was taking place elsewhere. Then, when things finally came together, they had a limited amount of time/energy to wrap things up. So some things felt rushed and maybe the biggest setpieces didn't have the heft they did before. I think it's fair if you feel that way but this show was never The Wire or The Sopranos or Mad Men in terms of character or pacing.

Rumors are just rumors and we will never know until GRRM actually finishes the books but it will be interesting to see how the King's Landing stuff will end up.  In the books it may not even be Cersei who is in control of King's Landing with the Mad Queen shows up.  It might change the context pretty significantly if she is there enraged over Connington/Young Griff being on the throne vs. Cersei. 

The show could have just run into the problem of knowing:

1) The White Walkers don't destroy the world
2) Bran ends up as King
3) Dany goes mad queen

and that could have been all that Martin gave them.  They clearly didn't want to create, they just wanted to adapt so they rushed to the finish line instead of developing the final plots. 

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