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Re: Game 3: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 15th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #345 on: April 16, 2019, 12:07:45 PM »
Anyone else find it a little annoying that all the news headlines claiming 'Matthews leads club to victory' and there is little mention of Johnnson who seemed to be the driving force on the line all night and set up Matthews perfectly for his goal.  That finish by Johnnson on PP was unreal.

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Re: Game 3: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 15th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #346 on: April 16, 2019, 12:11:53 PM »
Anyone else find it a little annoying that all the news headlines claiming 'Matthews leads club to victory' and there is little mention of Johnnson who seemed to be the driving force on the line all night and set up Matthews perfectly for his goal.  That finish by Johnnson on PP was unreal.


I agree 110%. Was thinking exactly the same thing when I read the tsn game story last night. The default is to interview the anointed stars even when they weren't the best player that game. No disrespect to Matthews he was good. But Mango was better.

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Re: Game 3: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 15th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #347 on: April 16, 2019, 01:02:29 PM »
Anyone else find it a little annoying that all the news headlines claiming 'Matthews leads club to victory' and there is little mention of Johnnson who seemed to be the driving force on the line all night and set up Matthews perfectly for his goal.  That finish by Johnnson on PP was unreal.
Good article in the Athletic on this very subject...Dermott is his best friend and told him to turn up the energy for game 3...he did ;)

I agree 110%. Was thinking exactly the same thing when I read the tsn game story last night. The default is to interview the anointed stars even when they weren't the best player that game. No disrespect to Matthews he was good. But Mango was better.
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Re: Game 3: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 15th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #348 on: April 16, 2019, 01:11:35 PM »
Anyone else find it a little annoying that all the news headlines claiming 'Matthews leads club to victory' and there is little mention of Johnnson who seemed to be the driving force on the line all night and set up Matthews perfectly for his goal.  That finish by Johnnson on PP was unreal.


I agree 110%. Was thinking exactly the same thing when I read the tsn game story last night. The default is to interview the anointed stars even when they weren't the best player that game. No disrespect to Matthews he was good. But Mango was better.

What is "anointed" supposed to mean here? That somehow Matthews isn't one of the stars on the team? That we only consider Matthews to be a star because experts say he is?

I mean, I get the point that you for some reason don't like that reporters will look to talk up team's better players instead of role players who have a good game but how is Matthews' stardom in any way fraudulent or the product of hype?
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Re: Game 3: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 15th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #349 on: April 16, 2019, 01:35:48 PM »
What a great game! Guys paying the price to keep pucks in,  guys paying the price to get pucks out, guys paying the price to keep possession. Rielly with 27 minutes, several hits and one of the best games I've ever seen him play.

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Re: Game 3: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 15th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #350 on: April 16, 2019, 01:39:38 PM »
Gif that Muzzin/Marner hug


When your 94-pt player is doing things like there's definitely a trickle down effect. Babs was riding the top two lines hard last night and the Tavares line came up yuge. Marner is really a leader along with everything else. Pay dat man his money :D

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Re: Game 3: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 15th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #351 on: April 16, 2019, 02:13:09 PM »

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« Reply #352 on: April 16, 2019, 02:17:22 PM »
Just wanna high-light the superb puck battle by Ennis getting the puck back leading to the Moore goal.

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Re: Game 3: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 15th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #353 on: April 16, 2019, 02:41:19 PM »
Anyone else find it a little annoying that all the news headlines claiming 'Matthews leads club to victory' and there is little mention of Johnnson who seemed to be the driving force on the line all night and set up Matthews perfectly for his goal.  That finish by Johnnson on PP was unreal.


I agree 110%. Was thinking exactly the same thing when I read the tsn game story last night. The default is to interview the anointed stars even when they weren't the best player that game. No disrespect to Matthews he was good. But Mango was better.

What is "anointed" supposed to mean here? That somehow Matthews isn't one of the stars on the team? That we only consider Matthews to be a star because experts say he is?

I mean, I get the point that you for some reason don't like that reporters will look to talk up team's better players instead of role players who have a good game but how is Matthews' stardom in any way fraudulent or the product of hype?

* unnecessary snide alert *

I mean that the media is obsessed with anointing stars to populate their overly simplistic storylines that generally revolve around a lone hero meme (X "carries the team to victory" even though in this case non-anointed Y had more to do with it and it's you know a team game anyway).  It's a go-to formula that treats a hockey game more like a script proposal for the latest Marvel Comics movie franchise. 

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« Reply #354 on: April 16, 2019, 03:49:54 PM »
* unnecessary snide alert *

I mean that the media is obsessed with anointing stars to populate their overly simplistic storylines that generally revolve around a lone hero meme (X "carries the team to victory" even though in this case non-anointed Y had more to do with it and it's you know a team game anyway).  It's a go-to formula that treats a hockey game more like a script proposal for the latest Marvel Comics movie franchise.

Even if that were true, Matthews is not the team's star by virtue of some sort of declaration or acclamation. He's the team's star player by virtue of being the team's best player(or however you want to rank him among their best players) which is something we see night in and night out.

Beyond that, though, I'm not really sure you understand how the media will function in any sort of setting like this. Getting media attention isn't some sort of reward a player earns by virtue of having a good game. Most players actually dislike media attention and would rather not have it. That's why, traditionally, it's seen not as a privilege but rather a responsibility of a team's leadership structure.

From the media's side of things, none of these guys are actually saying particularly interesting things and if Kapanen or Brown or whoever score a few goals it doesn't actually make for much more compelling reading if you get the same old cliches from a secondary player instead of the star. The reason that they interview people like Matthews instead of Brown isn't a commentary on their view of the game, it's in the hope that people are more interested in the bigger names and what they say about their game, good or bad. It's like how even if it's a character actor who gives the best performance in a small role in a given film, the media still tends to want to interview the star whose face is on the poster.

So, yeah, it's not a great point you're trying to make but even then you can just say "star". The media didn't choose which Leafs are the most compelling.
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Re: Game 3: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 15th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #355 on: April 16, 2019, 04:56:13 PM »
Why did you insert "yeah" in your last sentence?  Affirming that you've managed to convince yourself?

I guess I cling to the quaint notion that reporters, even sports reporters, are supposed to tell us the "news," not bolster a narrative.  Maybe Johnsson will dish out quotes just as anodyne as Matthews (not to mention JT, who sets the bar in that respect), but how will we ever know if they don't feature him after his big game on the big stage, when he deserves it?

In any case, the headline gunnar36 was referring to was simply wrong.

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« Reply #356 on: April 16, 2019, 05:10:42 PM »
Why did you insert "yeah" in your last sentence?  Affirming that you've managed to convince yourself?

Actually it was to indicate moving on from the digression into your sketchy understanding of how the media works back to the original point about whether Matthews receives media attention because he's sold to us as a star vs. him being a star because of all of those pesky goals he scores.

I guess I cling to the quaint notion that reporters, even sports reporters, are supposed to tell us the "news," not bolster a narrative.  Maybe Johnsson will dish out quotes just as anodyne as Matthews (not to mention JT, who sets the bar in that respect), but how will we ever know if they don't feature him after his big game on the big stage, when he deserves it?

The idea the sports media ever operated without an eye to attracting the most eyeballs isn't a quaint longing for the principles of yesteryear, it's just rewriting the history of the profession. Babe Ruth had a cadre of reporters following him around regardless of what Earle Combs or Bob Meusel did on a given day.

If Johnsson was given to saying anything remotely interesting, we'd have heard it by now. You're not seeing the editing going on. Reporters talk to players off camera, get a sense of whether they're interesting or not . Believe it or not stars saying boring things is the most interesting thing they can report on.
 
In any case, the headline gunnar36 was referring to was simply wrong.

Again, headlines(which are usually an editors responsibility, not a reporter's) are and always have been about driving clicks or whatever the old-timey equivalent would be.

For instance, in the actual TSN story you referred to where Johnsson supposedly gets "little mention".

Here, he gets his own paragraph:

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Matthews wasn’t the only top player who cranked it up for the Leafs, either. His linemate  contributed a power play goal and an assist in the victory as well, while Mitch Marner awed with a pair of jaw-dropping shot blocks in the final minute to preserve Toronto’s one-goal advantage.

Then, a little while later, he gets a quote:

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“I feel like we played much harder, we forced it hard and were heavier on the puck,” Johnsson said of his line. “We didn’t lose it too much so we didn’t have to backcheck a lot. It was more controlled play and so we didn’t have to waste a lot of energy in our zone.”

Here, then, are four more paragraphs on Johnsson, including quotes from Babcock and Matthews about Johnsson:

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It was only in response to Kadri’s absence that Johnsson had been moved onto the Leafs’ top power play unit at all, and once Matthews’ mojo was flowing, he wasted no time returning the favour to his winger. On Toronto’s next power play, Matthews pokechecked a puck out to , who got it to Johnsson for the Leafs’ second man advantage goal of the night. They finished the game 2-for-3 in that category.

The score was Johnsson’s first of the postseason as well and, like Matthews, he’d been without a point in the series prior to Monday’s game. In finally finding the back of the net, both players found some much-needed relief going forward.

“That was a beautiful goal [he scored] and a beautiful pass that he gave me,” assessed Matthews. “You get a couple goals like that under your belt and it gives you confidence, you get going. Hopefully it’s just a domino effect and we continue to produce and make plays.”

"[Johnsson] hadn’t been as good here lately, so it was good to see all the details in his game tonight," added Babcock. "He’s quick, he’s smart, he can be real hard and tonight he had good details in his game. He was rewarded for that. "

The idea that the actual article, which is where the reporting is actually going on, held up Matthews as some sort of singlular force solely responsible for the outcome just isn't true. The article is actually very good reporting that lays out a comprehensive detailing of how the game went. Matthews gets top billing as the main attraction but the idea that it fails to account for other things going on would only hold sway for people who failed to read past the headline.
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Re: Game 3: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 15th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #357 on: April 16, 2019, 06:00:47 PM »
Thanks for all the quotes, Nik.  Yep, the headline was wrong.

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« Reply #358 on: April 16, 2019, 06:19:29 PM »
Thanks for all the quotes, Nik.  Yep, the headline was wrong.

It's not, actually. The article makes a pretty compelling case for focusing on Matthews both for how he played and also the importance of him having a big game. I think most of us know that for the Leafs to get past Boston they need Matthews to be on his A game, something that is less true of Johnsson. Matthews did lift the Maple Leafs, his good play was a key factor in the Leafs' win. Where you're confused is that the word "lift" does not imply anything was done single-handedly.

I get that it's tough to read past a headline but it really does make for a better understanding of a story.
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Re: Game 3: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 15th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #359 on: April 16, 2019, 07:24:39 PM »
Thanks for all the quotes, Nik.  Yep, the headline was wrong.

It's not, actually. The article makes a pretty compelling case for focusing on Matthews both for how he played and also the importance of him having a big game. I think most of us know that for the Leafs to get past Boston they need Matthews to be on his A game, something that is less true of Johnsson. Matthews did lift the Maple Leafs, his good play was a key factor in the Leafs' win. Where you're confused is that the word "lift" does not imply anything was done single-handedly.

I get that it's tough to read past a headline but it really does make for a better understanding of a story.

Especially because the focus immediately after game 2 and right up until the start of game 3 was about how poorly Matthews was playing. Which wasn't true.