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Re: Playing The "What If" Game Re: Mike Babcock
« Reply #45 on: February 21, 2019, 07:20:17 PM »
And the "coach sucks" brigade is out in full force today. It feels like Randy all over again.


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Re: Playing The "What If" Game Re: Mike Babcock
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« Reply #46 on: February 21, 2019, 08:53:34 PM »
And the "coach sucks" brigade is out in full force today. It feels like Randy all over again.
This very well maybe the best lineup well ever be able to afford. I dont know why people are being so damn patient. Giving your best players good line mates and ice time is quite simple. Can someone let Babs know Maltby and Draper retired, the game has changed.
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Re: Playing The "What If" Game Re: Mike Babcock
« Reply #47 on: February 23, 2019, 07:49:58 AM »
And the "coach sucks" brigade is out in full force today. It feels like Randy all over again.

Not me. I was just observing that, on the one hand, Dubas has spent valuable assets to bring in a guy for the top pair & to push Hainsey down the line-up and, on the other, the coach seems not to want to use the player there & is keeping Hainsey in the top pair. Maybe that'll change, but, right now, it looks like the GM and coach have pretty different ideas about personnel. At some point, that might be a problem!

He doesn't run a static pairing. Rielly and Muzzin received the most ice time in the Washington game.

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Re: Playing The "What If" Game Re: Mike Babcock
« Reply #48 on: February 23, 2019, 07:59:07 AM »
And the "coach sucks" brigade is out in full force today. It feels like Randy all over again.
This very well maybe the best lineup well ever be able to afford. I dont know why people are being so damn patient. Giving your best players good line mates and ice time is quite simple. Can someone let Babs know Maltby and Draper retired, the game has changed.

We're fans. We have no choice but to let it unfold in front of us.

And this nonsense about it being the best line up we can afford makes no sense.

Mitch Marner is 21
Auston Matthews is 21
William Nylander is 22
Kasperi Kapanen is 22
Andreas Johnsson is 24
Morgan Rielly is 24

How do we come on here and assume that our team next year will be worse because of the losses of a handful of bottom 6 players and a couple defensemen?
Does that not assume that all 6 of those above players have peaked already?
Our top 3 forwards are 21, 21 and 22. Do we not think they will get better?
Our top Defense is 24. Do we not see the progression of this player?

Patience is the thing we need most. Our core is 22 and younger. Our supporting cast is 25 and younger.

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Re: Playing The "What If" Game Re: Mike Babcock
« Reply #49 on: February 23, 2019, 09:51:24 AM »
And the "coach sucks" brigade is out in full force today. It feels like Randy all over again.
This very well maybe the best lineup well ever be able to afford. I dont know why people are being so damn patient. Giving your best players good line mates and ice time is quite simple. Can someone let Babs know Maltby and Draper retired, the game has changed.

We're fans. We have no choice but to let it unfold in front of us.

And this nonsense about it being the best line up we can afford makes no sense.

Mitch Marner is 21
Auston Matthews is 21
William Nylander is 22
Kasperi Kapanen is 22
Andreas Johnsson is 24
Morgan Rielly is 24

How do we come on here and assume that our team next year will be worse because of the losses of a handful of bottom 6 players and a couple defensemen?
Does that not assume that all 6 of those above players have peaked already?
Our top 3 forwards are 21, 21 and 22. Do we not think they will get better?
Our top Defense is 24. Do we not see the progression of this player?

Patience is the thing we need most. Our core is 22 and younger. Our supporting cast is 25 and younger.

It's not about age, It's about the Cap.

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Re: Playing The "What If" Game Re: Mike Babcock
« Reply #50 on: February 23, 2019, 10:35:24 AM »
And the "coach sucks" brigade is out in full force today. It feels like Randy all over again.
This very well maybe the best lineup well ever be able to afford. I dont know why people are being so damn patient. Giving your best players good line mates and ice time is quite simple. Can someone let Babs know Maltby and Draper retired, the game has changed.

We're fans. We have no choice but to let it unfold in front of us.

And this nonsense about it being the best line up we can afford makes no sense.

Mitch Marner is 21
Auston Matthews is 21
William Nylander is 22
Kasperi Kapanen is 22
Andreas Johnsson is 24
Morgan Rielly is 24

How do we come on here and assume that our team next year will be worse because of the losses of a handful of bottom 6 players and a couple defensemen?
Does that not assume that all 6 of those above players have peaked already?
Our top 3 forwards are 21, 21 and 22. Do we not think they will get better?
Our top Defense is 24. Do we not see the progression of this player?

Patience is the thing we need most. Our core is 22 and younger. Our supporting cast is 25 and younger.

+1

Im pretty happy with how things are going

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Re: Playing The "What If" Game Re: Mike Babcock
« Reply #51 on: February 23, 2019, 05:01:43 PM »
And the "coach sucks" brigade is out in full force today. It feels like Randy all over again.
This very well maybe the best lineup well ever be able to afford. I dont know why people are being so damn patient. Giving your best players good line mates and ice time is quite simple. Can someone let Babs know Maltby and Draper retired, the game has changed.

We're fans. We have no choice but to let it unfold in front of us.

And this nonsense about it being the best line up we can afford makes no sense.

Mitch Marner is 21
Auston Matthews is 21
William Nylander is 22
Kasperi Kapanen is 22
Andreas Johnsson is 24
Morgan Rielly is 24

How do we come on here and assume that our team next year will be worse because of the losses of a handful of bottom 6 players and a couple defensemen?
Does that not assume that all 6 of those above players have peaked already?
Our top 3 forwards are 21, 21 and 22. Do we not think they will get better?
Our top Defense is 24. Do we not see the progression of this player?

Patience is the thing we need most. Our core is 22 and younger. Our supporting cast is 25 and younger.

It's not about age, It's about the Cap.

Elaborate please. The players I listed above will all be here next season(with maybe the exception of Kapanen or Johnsson)....so, again, how do they get worse when all those players are a year older, with a year more experience?

I mean the team should get automatically better when they fire Babcock next month.

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Re: Playing The "What If" Game Re: Mike Babcock
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2019, 07:11:35 PM »
And the "coach sucks" brigade is out in full force today. It feels like Randy all over again.

Not me. I was just observing that, on the one hand, Dubas has spent valuable assets to bring in a guy for the top pair & to push Hainsey down the line-up and, on the other, the coach seems not to want to use the player there & is keeping Hainsey in the top pair. Maybe that'll change, but, right now, it looks like the GM and coach have pretty different ideas about personnel. At some point, that might be a problem!

He doesn't run a static pairing. Rielly and Muzzin received the most ice time in the Washington game.

A positive, and pretty recent, development.

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Re: Playing The "What If" Game Re: Mike Babcock
« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2019, 07:38:00 PM »
Is it unreasonable to ease a new acquisition into the system?

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Re: Playing The "What If" Game Re: Mike Babcock
« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2019, 08:06:14 PM »
Is it unreasonable to ease a new acquisition into the system?

No kidding.

Here's a new piece of electronics. I expect you to know everything about it the first time you pick it up.

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Re: Playing The "What If" Game Re: Mike Babcock
« Reply #55 on: April 24, 2019, 09:21:15 AM »
Anyone feeling any differently now?

The knee-jerk reactions against Babcock are strong right now. That aside, I think it might be prudent to put Kefe in place and let him run the team.

- I do not like the way Babcock manages ice time
- I do not think he matches lines - or even mixes lines very well
- He does not appear to be dynamic enough with his game plan - it is as if he is saying "my plan is my plan and that is what we will stick with no matter what
- Sheldon Keefe is a good coach who will be picked up by another team if they do not promote him
- After the same result three years in a row (twice in a row to Boston) they have to do something

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Re: Playing The "What If" Game Re: Mike Babcock
« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2019, 09:26:05 AM »
The most likely scenario is Jim Hiller and D.J. Smith being let go since they are in charge of the PP and PK respectively which were both a huge issue in this series.  That essentially puts Babcock "on notice" that he's on the clock.  I also fully expect Dubas to have a man conversation with Babcock during the exit interviews and call him out on his ice time and lineup decisions.

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Re: Playing The "What If" Game Re: Mike Babcock
« Reply #57 on: April 24, 2019, 09:42:24 AM »
I watched last night and saw a lot of good things until slightly bad things happened and Andersen finally faltered. Zero additional/effective press from the coaching staff to push the roster's limits and concentrate its attack is going to be the storyline dragging into the off season. It's baffling, but was it really surprising? The coaching staff believed in a certain style of play and certain players to steer that style and stuck to their guns. I slightly blame Nylander for making Marleau look effective for enough of an early game to convince Babcock to ride or die with the iron man (nevermind that he was surrounded by play drivers in Nylander, 40%Gardiner, 85%Dermott).

I like Carlton's idea to try out different assistants. I don't know if it's a good time for Dubas to use the Keefe silver bullet yet as he really only just got his hands on the team, but there is an old boys club vibe from how people have written about the coaching staff and a disconnect with Dubas' management team. Like Zee said, put him on notice.

I generally like the way Babcock deals with media and his players (and their psychological growth) and like 90% of his tactical choices, so I'd be hard pressed to come up with a better option. If Dubas can make it work with Babcock (they have a lot of alignment philosophically), this team is still going places.

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Re: Playing The "What If" Game Re: Mike Babcock
« Reply #58 on: April 24, 2019, 09:49:11 AM »
I watched last night and saw a lot of good things until slightly bad things happened and Andersen finally faltered. Zero additional/effective press from the coaching staff to push the roster's limits and concentrate its attack is going to be the storyline dragging into the off season. It's baffling, but was it really surprising? The coaching staff believed in a certain style of play and certain players to steer that style and stuck to their guns. I slightly blame Nylander for making Marleau look effective for enough of an early game to convince Babcock to ride or die with the iron man (nevermind that he was surrounded by play drivers in Nylander, 40%Gardiner, 85%Dermott).

I like Carlton's idea to try out different assistants. I don't know if it's a good time for Dubas to use the Keefe silver bullet yet as he really only just got his hands on the team, but there is an old boys club vibe from how people have written about the coaching staff and a disconnect with Dubas' management team. Like Zee said, put him on notice.

I generally like the way Babcock deals with media and his players (and their psychological growth) and like 90% of his tactical choices, so I'd be hard pressed to come up with a better option. If Dubas can make it work with Babcock (they have a lot of alignment philosophically), this team is still going places.

I don't like that Babcock never seems to take any blame when discussing what went wrong.  From last night, he slyly mentioned:

"goals kept going in" -- slight shot at Andersen
"we couldn't move Willy around" - shot at Kadri

I mean, the Kadri argument is valid, however you've known he's not available since game 2, and you had plenty of time to try other things.  You totally *could* have moved Willy around, but you chose not to, don't blame Kadri for that.  How about giving Nylander better wingers for a start?  How about a period of Matthews-Nylander just to see how it goes?  Nope, can't do that cause we don't have Kadri!

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Re: Playing The "What If" Game Re: Mike Babcock
« Reply #59 on: April 24, 2019, 10:14:35 AM »
I watched last night and saw a lot of good things until slightly bad things happened and Andersen finally faltered. Zero additional/effective press from the coaching staff to push the roster's limits and concentrate its attack is going to be the storyline dragging into the off season. It's baffling, but was it really surprising? The coaching staff believed in a certain style of play and certain players to steer that style and stuck to their guns. I slightly blame Nylander for making Marleau look effective for enough of an early game to convince Babcock to ride or die with the iron man (nevermind that he was surrounded by play drivers in Nylander, 40%Gardiner, 85%Dermott).

I like Carlton's idea to try out different assistants. I don't know if it's a good time for Dubas to use the Keefe silver bullet yet as he really only just got his hands on the team, but there is an old boys club vibe from how people have written about the coaching staff and a disconnect with Dubas' management team. Like Zee said, put him on notice.

I generally like the way Babcock deals with media and his players (and their psychological growth) and like 90% of his tactical choices, so I'd be hard pressed to come up with a better option. If Dubas can make it work with Babcock (they have a lot of alignment philosophically), this team is still going places.

I don't like that Babcock never seems to take any blame when discussing what went wrong.  From last night, he slyly mentioned:

"goals kept going in" -- slight shot at Andersen
"we couldn't move Willy around" - shot at Kadri

I mean, the Kadri argument is valid, however you've known he's not available since game 2, and you had plenty of time to try other things.  You totally *could* have moved Willy around, but you chose not to, don't blame Kadri for that.  How about giving Nylander better wingers for a start?  How about a period of Matthews-Nylander just to see how it goes?  Nope, can't do that cause we don't have Kadri!
It's time for Babcock and his finger pointing and excuses to be run outta town. Firing the assistants is just scapegoating. They do what Babcock instructs them to do.

Time for Babcock to reap the whirlwind of accountability.

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Re: Playing The "What If" Game Re: Mike Babcock
« Reply #59 on: April 24, 2019, 10:14:35 AM »