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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #120 on: December 02, 2018, 12:53:18 PM »
This is may ultimately be a minor point but I still think letting it play out like it did is a failure (of process, not results) on the part of Dubas.  If the reported timeline is correct, they got the signed contract at 4:52p EST ... and still had to do some back and forths before submitting to the league.  That is insane.

Sure, it came out all right at literally the last minute but the process is important.  There was no need for that.  All Dubas/Leafs had to do is tell Gross/Nylander that our drop-dead, not-going-to-be-extended internal deadline is X, where X is some date/time well in advance of the official deadline (and we can debate endlessly what an ideal X would have been). 

There is no way a manager should have let that become a high-wire act.

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« Reply #121 on: December 02, 2018, 12:55:38 PM »
Dubas is actually a member of the Flying Wallendas
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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #122 on: December 02, 2018, 01:00:17 PM »

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« Reply #123 on: December 02, 2018, 01:10:17 PM »
This is may ultimately be a minor point but I still think letting it play out like it did is a failure (of process, not results) on the part of Dubas.  If the reported timeline is correct, they got the signed contract at 4:52p EST ... and still had to do some back and forths before submitting to the league.  That is insane.

Sure, it came out all right at literally the last minute but the process is important.  There was no need for that.  All Dubas/Leafs had to do is tell Gross/Nylander that our drop-dead, not-going-to-be-extended internal deadline is X, where X is some date/time well in advance of the official deadline (and we can debate endlessly what an ideal X would have been). 

There is no way a manager should have let that become a high-wire act.

I don't understand this line of thinking. If they had an internal deadline, the deal might not have been done at all. How is that a better outcome?

This whole situation has been the definition of "It ain't over till it's over".
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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #124 on: December 02, 2018, 01:12:18 PM »
This is may ultimately be a minor point but I still think letting it play out like it did is a failure (of process, not results) on the part of Dubas.  If the reported timeline is correct, they got the signed contract at 4:52p EST ... and still had to do some back and forths before submitting to the league.  That is insane.

Sure, it came out all right at literally the last minute but the process is important.  There was no need for that.  All Dubas/Leafs had to do is tell Gross/Nylander that our drop-dead, not-going-to-be-extended internal deadline is X, where X is some date/time well in advance of the official deadline (and we can debate endlessly what an ideal X would have been). 

There is no way a manager should have let that become a high-wire act.

I don't understand this line of thinking. If they had an internal deadline, the deal might not have been done at all. How is that a better outcome?

Why wouldn't it have gotten done?  The dynamics are exactly the same ... so long as Dubas (or whomever) makes it clear to the agent/player that it is a hard deadline.  Of course if the manager isn't committed to that, it doesn't make sense.

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« Reply #125 on: December 02, 2018, 01:19:49 PM »
This is may ultimately be a minor point but I still think letting it play out like it did is a failure (of process, not results) on the part of Dubas.  If the reported timeline is correct, they got the signed contract at 4:52p EST ... and still had to do some back and forths before submitting to the league.  That is insane.

Sure, it came out all right at literally the last minute but the process is important.  There was no need for that.  All Dubas/Leafs had to do is tell Gross/Nylander that our drop-dead, not-going-to-be-extended internal deadline is X, where X is some date/time well in advance of the official deadline (and we can debate endlessly what an ideal X would have been). 

There is no way a manager should have let that become a high-wire act.

I don't understand this line of thinking. If they had an internal deadline, the deal might not have been done at all. How is that a better outcome?

Why wouldn't it have gotten done?  The dynamics are exactly the same ... so long as Dubas (or whomever) makes it clear to the agent/player that it is a hard deadline.  Of course if the manager isn't committed to that, it doesn't make sense.

Because it's pretty obvious that Nylander's camp wasn't ready to deal until it came down to the wire, if what Dubas said about Nylander calling him is to be believed.

Any kind of internal deadline is just nonsense from the other side of the table. If Nylander's camp called back at the exact same time they did yesterday and said "Let's make a deal" and Dubas was like "nope sorry deadline is passed" then that would be the real failure because the only deadline that passed was the made up one that doesn't mean anything.

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« Reply #126 on: December 02, 2018, 01:27:19 PM »
Nylander is one of those young stars who also happened to be able to sustain a protracted period of unpayment. Iím glad no one played stupid(er) hardball.

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« Reply #127 on: December 02, 2018, 01:34:12 PM »

The thread is locked so I can't quote myself directly but this is me on September 12th:

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Mackinnon signed his extension after two seasons where he scored 38 and then 52 points. He signed for 6.3 million which represented 8.63% of the cap. A comparable cap hit for Nylander, coming off two straight 60+ point seasons, would work out to roughly 6.9 million which would be a nice deal for Nylander

Now, sure, some might say that the rest of that post doesn't indicate this is a prediction but just a stupid joke but I'm still going to declare a sort of victory.

 8) Nicely done.

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« Reply #128 on: December 02, 2018, 01:41:58 PM »
This is may ultimately be a minor point but I still think letting it play out like it did is a failure (of process, not results) on the part of Dubas.  If the reported timeline is correct, they got the signed contract at 4:52p EST ... and still had to do some back and forths before submitting to the league.  That is insane.

Sure, it came out all right at literally the last minute but the process is important.  There was no need for that.  All Dubas/Leafs had to do is tell Gross/Nylander that our drop-dead, not-going-to-be-extended internal deadline is X, where X is some date/time well in advance of the official deadline (and we can debate endlessly what an ideal X would have been). 

There is no way a manager should have let that become a high-wire act.


No matter what Dubas and company told Lewis Gross about their deadline, it's human nature for Gross to think "sure, they SAY the deadline is 1pm but if we come back at them at 4:30 I'm sure they'll still move"

And he's not wrong in that thinking.  If at 1pm Dubas says "the deal is 6.8 take it or leave it" and at 4:30 Gross comes back with 6.9 are you going to say no over 100k?

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« Reply #129 on: December 02, 2018, 01:42:34 PM »
Nylander is one of those young stars who also happened to be able to sustain a protracted period of unpayment.

Realistically though, what's the minimum that any of these guys are actually earning on their ELC? Between salary and bonuses Matthews and Marner have to have made at least 5-6 million each by now even before you get to any outside money.

Nylander's dad made some money and maybe he was a bit better situated than most but none of these guys, if they have good rookie and sophomore seasons are going to sign their second contracts because their phones are about to be switched off.
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« Reply #130 on: December 02, 2018, 02:32:24 PM »
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/analyzing-william-nylander-brings-maple-leafs/



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Going through this cross-section of statistics, you can see that while Nylander is about the fourth-best offensive player on the Maple Leafs, he is absolutely their best transition player, especially at both blue lines. Nylander either carries the puck out or is the passing option on zone exits almost nine times per 20 minutes, which is just a monstrous amount, and he creates more controlled entries into the offensive zone than any other Leafs player.

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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #131 on: December 02, 2018, 02:34:54 PM »


The thread is locked so I can't quote myself directly but this is me on September 12th:

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Mackinnon signed his extension after two seasons where he scored 38 and then 52 points. He signed for 6.3 million which represented 8.63% of the cap. A comparable cap hit for Nylander, coming off two straight 60+ point seasons, would work out to roughly 6.9 million which would be a nice deal for Nylander

Now, sure, some might say that the rest of that post doesn't indicate this is a prediction but just a stupid joke but I'm still going to declare a sort of victory.

I think it would be fair to say that you have a lot of posts on this topic.  Some of the other posts make different comparisons.

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« Reply #132 on: December 02, 2018, 02:39:23 PM »
I think it would be fair to say that you have a lot of posts on this topic.  Some of the other posts make different comparisons.

It's a fair point. Clearly that declaration of victory was unwarranted. Thank you for keeping me in check.
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« Reply #133 on: December 02, 2018, 02:41:51 PM »
Nylander is one of those young stars who also happened to be able to sustain a protracted period of unpayment.

Realistically though, what's the minimum that any of these guys are actually earning on their ELC? Between salary and bonuses Matthews and Marner have to have made at least 5-6 million each by now even before you get to any outside money.

Nylander's dad made some money and maybe he was a bit better situated than most but none of these guys, if they have good rookie and sophomore seasons are going to sign their second contracts because their phones are about to be switched off.

This was more as a point of comparison to some of the other RFAs that didnít quite go the distance with their GMs.

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« Reply #134 on: December 02, 2018, 02:46:26 PM »
It looks like the average game day thread is about 8 pages.  If thatís true, weíve spent ~200 pages writing about games.  I canít find the other Nylander thread but it was up to 150 pages perhaps?  So with 10 more here we are ~160?  ~200 vs ~160 is kind of ridiculous. Thank god it is over.

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