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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #315 on: January 03, 2019, 01:09:38 PM »
For the balance of the regular season, how many points constitutes fair value for a $6.9M cap hit?

There's really no reason to judge a long-term contract based on how year 1 goes. But going somewhat off of that, last season after January 1st Nylander recorded 33 points in 42 games. Assuming he's getting close to full-speed soon I'll be happy if he eclipses that benchmark.

For comparison, I went to cap friendly "cost per point" - https://www.capfriendly.com/cost_per_point/2018/season/forwards/all/all/costperpoints/asc/normalized

- and pulled players making between 6M and 7.5M for the 17-18 season. This equally 41 players, with a seasonal average of 64pts. Over 82 games, that's 0.78ppg, and applied to the 43 game balance of this season, comes to 33.6 points.

Which is a whopping 0.6 off your estimate.

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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #316 on: January 05, 2019, 01:31:38 PM »
https://theathletic.com/738397/2019/01/04/wheeler-digging-deeper-on-the-first-month-or-dozen-games-of-william-nylanders-season/

Do you like watching dozens of video clips of Willy in action? If so...

I'm also going to blockquote a section that really needs to be highlighted regarding Nylander's play, and fan perception of his play:
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  • Players who aren’t overtly physical in board battles aren’t necessarily weak on them, or proportionately more likely to lose the battle. There are great defensive players who spent their careers reaching into battles rather than engaging directly with them.
  • Players who don’t drop their head and look like they’re working hard to get to a loose puck aren’t necessarily lazy, nor are they guaranteed to get there slower. Some of the game’s fastest players don’t look like they’re trying all that hard from A to B.
The truth about Nylander is that he doesn’t look like he’s engaged defensively in the same way as a Johnsson does, but his results (both in terms of the eye test and supporting data) suggest he’s a positive presence on his lines defensively and wins his fair share of battles.

One of the things that has impressed me about Nylander’s return is that despite his stagnated numbers in terms of raw outputs, he hasn’t fallen into bad habits or tried to cheat (at least not as often as a high-end scorer like him might during a slump).

My first (and only) live viewing of Nylander was the Marlies game before his first (and only) call up to the big squad, the day before the trade deadline, hair freshly shorn in apparent anticipation of having to face Lou daily. He made an impact on the scoresheet and an impact on the ice and throughout his play, it looked like he was just casually (maybe even lazily) going about his business.

It wasn't lack of effort: it was simply being naturally gifted (and honed) in the parts of the game that others normally have to exhibit tremendous effort to achieve.
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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #317 on: January 08, 2019, 10:09:33 PM »
I've gotta say I'm not a fan of the whole Nylander thing right now.  I would love to be proven wrong later in the season.  But as of right now I'm not a fan of the way it went down and also the way he has been playing.  It's like he got the big contract and now he's checked out.  I always found this situation to be a bad thing for team chemistry.  We'll see I guess.

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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #318 on: January 08, 2019, 11:12:37 PM »
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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #319 on: January 20, 2019, 01:23:33 PM »
The beard is off. Willy doing everything to turn it around..

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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #320 on: January 20, 2019, 01:46:09 PM »
I know quoting oneself is tacky - but I just feel that I wasn’t off when I said this:

I’m as happy as anyone here that this story is over now. I’m just trying to be realistic with my expectations for Nylander’s performance this year. Typically when a player misses camp they come back all out of sync and take a while to get going. We’re not just talking camp here - it’s been 3 months.

Obviously the team is better with him - I just have a feeling it’s not going to be a smooth transition.

It’ll come around. Maybe this will end up being a lost season for him but come on, he didn’t lose all his talent at 22. He’s still a high impact player who will be a significant contributor over the next several years. Patience.

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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #321 on: January 20, 2019, 02:38:57 PM »
I know quoting oneself is tacky - but I just feel that I wasn’t off when I said this:

I’m as happy as anyone here that this story is over now. I’m just trying to be realistic with my expectations for Nylander’s performance this year. Typically when a player misses camp they come back all out of sync and take a while to get going. We’re not just talking camp here - it’s been 3 months.

Obviously the team is better with him - I just have a feeling it’s not going to be a smooth transition.

It’ll come around. Maybe this will end up being a lost season for him but come on, he didn’t lose all his talent at 22. He’s still a high impact player who will be a significant contributor over the next several years. Patience.
I think now it's more about the effort out there. If he was going full out I don't think anyone would complain. It's the, sometimes, lack of competitiveness in his game that irks me. Honestly he needs to play more like Kappy and Johnsson and get in there and get the puck.
It's still hard hopping on that moving train tho. I know it will come.

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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #322 on: January 20, 2019, 03:08:59 PM »
I think now it's more about the effort out there. If he was going full out I don't think anyone would complain. It's the, sometimes, lack of competitiveness in his game that irks me. Honestly he needs to play more like Kappy and Johnsson and get in there and get the puck.

Yeah, getting on the body has never really been part of his game, and I hope he doesn't change it just for optics, cause that isn't what he needs to do. The main problem is that he's a half-step behind in terms of reading plays, getting up to speed, and making decisions - and most importantly, I think his overall conditioning is still coming along - he's been good at the beginning of the game, and starts to trail off mid-2nd period.

To that point, and it's just a guess, but I think the reason Babcock is giving him reduced icetime and 4th line duty toward the end of games isn't because he's in the doghouse, but because he doesn't have the conditioning to play a full game at peak speed, and needs more recovery time. I'll bet within 10 more games, it won't be an issue and he'll be taking a regular shift with Matthews.

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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #323 on: January 20, 2019, 03:34:59 PM »
The beard is off. Willy doing everything to turn it around..
The beard was holding him back, maybe Lou knows something after all

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« Reply #324 on: January 20, 2019, 03:36:58 PM »
I know quoting oneself is tacky - but I just feel that I wasn’t off when I said this:

I’m as happy as anyone here that this story is over now. I’m just trying to be realistic with my expectations for Nylander’s performance this year. Typically when a player misses camp they come back all out of sync and take a while to get going. We’re not just talking camp here - it’s been 3 months.

Obviously the team is better with him - I just have a feeling it’s not going to be a smooth transition.

It’ll come around. Maybe this will end up being a lost season for him but come on, he didn’t lose all his talent at 22. He’s still a high impact player who will be a significant contributor over the next several years. Patience.
I think now it's more about the effort out there. If he was going full out I don't think anyone would complain. It's the, sometimes, lack of competitiveness in his game that irks me. Honestly he needs to play more like Kappy and Johnsson and get in there and get the puck.
It's still hard hopping on that moving train tho. I know it will come.

No one could complain about getting the puck even more, but really, he has the puck all the time already. Way more than Johnsson does, for example.

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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #325 on: January 20, 2019, 04:12:56 PM »
The beard is off. Willy doing everything to turn it around..
The beard was holding him back, maybe Lou knows something after all

This makes no sense whatsoever but I actually think it will make a difference

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« Reply #326 on: January 20, 2019, 04:13:23 PM »
I know quoting oneself is tacky - but I just feel that I wasn’t off when I said this:

I’m as happy as anyone here that this story is over now. I’m just trying to be realistic with my expectations for Nylander’s performance this year. Typically when a player misses camp they come back all out of sync and take a while to get going. We’re not just talking camp here - it’s been 3 months.

Obviously the team is better with him - I just have a feeling it’s not going to be a smooth transition.

It’ll come around. Maybe this will end up being a lost season for him but come on, he didn’t lose all his talent at 22. He’s still a high impact player who will be a significant contributor over the next several years. Patience.
I think now it's more about the effort out there. If he was going full out I don't think anyone would complain. It's the, sometimes, lack of competitiveness in his game that irks me. Honestly he needs to play more like Kappy and Johnsson and get in there and get the puck.
It's still hard hopping on that moving train tho. I know it will come.

No one could complain about getting the puck even more, but really, he has the puck all the time already. Way more than Johnsson does, for example.
It's not about doing things all the time with the puck. It's about doing stuff also when you don't. Sometimes he's very lazy on the D side of things and some times he doesn't battle too hard. His compete level isn't where it needs to be. We've def seen glimpses, just not enough of it.

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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #327 on: January 20, 2019, 04:37:16 PM »
I know quoting oneself is tacky - but I just feel that I wasn’t off when I said this:

I’m as happy as anyone here that this story is over now. I’m just trying to be realistic with my expectations for Nylander’s performance this year. Typically when a player misses camp they come back all out of sync and take a while to get going. We’re not just talking camp here - it’s been 3 months.

Obviously the team is better with him - I just have a feeling it’s not going to be a smooth transition.

It’ll come around. Maybe this will end up being a lost season for him but come on, he didn’t lose all his talent at 22. He’s still a high impact player who will be a significant contributor over the next several years. Patience.
I think now it's more about the effort out there. If he was going full out I don't think anyone would complain. It's the, sometimes, lack of competitiveness in his game that irks me. Honestly he needs to play more like Kappy and Johnsson and get in there and get the puck.
It's still hard hopping on that moving train tho. I know it will come.

No one could complain about getting the puck even more, but really, he has the puck all the time already. Way more than Johnsson does, for example.
It's not about doing things all the time with the puck. It's about doing stuff also when you don't. Sometimes he's very lazy on the D side of things and some times he doesn't battle too hard. His compete level isn't where it needs to be. We've def seen glimpses, just not enough of it.

In other words he's a skill player but not a leader. I think he's another Sergei Berezin.

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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #328 on: January 20, 2019, 07:12:18 PM »
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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #329 on: January 21, 2019, 06:40:42 PM »
I would like to see Willie play at C, let him grow into the role, put Kapi  and Johnsson (on return beside him).
This make Kadri amazing trade bait at his current rate. Kadri has been playing just a putridly as Hainsey and for the most part Bad Jake TM.   Cut Jake and Kadri and save best part of 10 million a year....just saying...as Kadri grew up a Canadians fan perhaps he would be a great fit there.  Sorry, I have grown to love the guy, but this season...not.
So you have Tavares, Matthews, Nylander and Goat (shut down, D guy) as our Centres, we could do a lot worse and the trade bate for Kadri and Jake bad TM would be very good, especially if you dangle a Bracco or Engvall and a good draft pick or two. We need a stud D man
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