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Re: Media Thread
« Reply #315 on: August 08, 2018, 02:14:29 AM »
This story sounds unbelievable but oh so sickeningly true.  According to reports, human trafficking is a "$99M industry".   Perhaps you're wondering what does this have to do with sporting events?  Everything, from PGA tournaments to World Cup to HOF inductions, etc., etc.

The Athletic Cleveland reporter Tom Reed unlocked the article below so that many can read the shocking underworld of human trafficking, be it female sex slaves or cheap labour.  Though the article specifically deals with the above in the US, it can pertain to anywhere in the world, at any moment, at any event.

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« Reply #316 on: August 08, 2018, 10:47:11 AM »
I don't disagree here; at the same time, who is in charge of what you read and listen to?

I think that's a more complicated question than you think, especially now that there's massive overlap between people who are ostensibly the critical media and game coverage. Someone out there may not like a Damian Cox or Elliotte Friedman or whoever but if they're just consuming the games themselves or watching Sportsnet generally they're bound to hear from all manner of people that they may not personally hold in high regard. It's one of the many thorny issues in wrapping up rights-holders and analysis in one(or two) conglomerates.

But even in the pre-internet age I think that being a savvy media consumer in a local market meant paying attention to things even if they weren't necessarily in your wheel house. Reading Cox or Strachan might not have been your cup of tea but being a Leafs-focused columnist at one of the city's dailies was a big deal and their opinions informed and often created the discussion around the team. Besides, if you were reading the paper you may as well read the whole damn paper.

I realize that the modern trend is to be selective in the media you consume to the point that you only see/read/hear the people you like or who do their jobs the way you approve of but I think that sort of devalues the communal nature of being a sports fan.

I super agree with this and the above. Cherry and the like have had a huge influence on how the game is processed and played and enjoyed (how many people hate Corsi offhand and love fighting?). I'm glad there is a larger variety of voices now with the main(er)streaming of articulate fans who've made the jump into media prominence.

Again, I don't disagree. Are we still talking about Hofford's hyperbole here, or more of a general zeitgeist thing?

I was making sort of a separate point about something I've seen a lot of since Shanahan took over that I don't really think we saw before.

Is it Shanahan related, or is it more Bell/Rogers owning the team related? I'm not saying there's a nefarious conspiracy, but it would make sense for a media conglomerate to curate their message about a business property. It definitely appeared to 'stabilize' around Shanahan.
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« Reply #317 on: August 08, 2018, 10:53:58 AM »
This story sounds unbelievable but oh so sickeningly true.  According to reports, human trafficking is a "$99M industry".   Perhaps you're wondering what does this have to do with sporting events?  Everything, from PGA tournaments to World Cup to HOF inductions, etc., etc.

The Olympics is a HUGE factor in this.

Another intersection of sports events and the real world, but in the opposite direction is an apparent decrease in crime during games.

https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/how-to-fight-crime-with-your-television

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Their data set was rich, spanning the period from January of 2001 through December of 2013, a stretch in which they analyzed twelve Super Bowls, two hundred and four Bears games (a hundred and eighty-six on Sundays, eighteen on Monday nights), ninety-four N.B.A. Finals games, sixty-eight Bulls playoff games, seventy World Series games, and thirty-four Cubs and White Sox playoff games. The authors, Hannah Laqueur and Ryan Copus, examined Chicago crime reports by the half hour while those games were in progress and compared them to reports from the same time, day, and month when the teams weren’t playing.

The effects were hard to miss. On Monday nights when the Bears were playing, crime in Chicago was down thirteen per cent—property crimes by three per cent, violent crimes by eleven per cent, and drug crimes by nearly thirty per cent—compared to the same Monday-night time slot when the Bears were off. Crime was consistently lower, though to a smaller degree, during N.B.A. finals games, Bulls playoff games, and Cubs and White Sox playoff games, regardless of whether the games were played at home or away. The Super Bowl had the biggest impact. During the three-plus hours of the game, crime fell by an average of twenty-five per cent—property and violent crimes by roughly fifteen per cent and drug crimes by more than sixty per cent—which amounts to about sixty fewer crimes.

They also note an uptick in domestic violence after an upset home team loss.

A lot of people really don't know how to process their feelings. I think it's a safe bet all this largely applies to the male demographic.
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Re: Media Thread
« Reply #318 on: August 08, 2018, 11:09:40 AM »
Is it Shanahan related, or is it more Bell/Rogers owning the team related? I'm not saying there's a nefarious conspiracy, but it would make sense for a media conglomerate to curate their message about a business property. It definitely appeared to 'stabilize' around Shanahan.

I don't really think it's either. I think that what happened was that certain things the new management team did, whether cynically or not, appealed to a lot of the new breed of media and there isn't anyone in the world who doesn't like being told they're pretty.
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« Reply #319 on: August 08, 2018, 11:52:19 AM »
This story sounds unbelievable but oh so sickeningly true.  According to reports, human trafficking is a "$99M industry".   Perhaps you're wondering what does this have to do with sporting events?  Everything, from PGA tournaments to World Cup to HOF inductions, etc., etc.

The Athletic Cleveland reporter Tom Reed unlocked the article below so that many can read the shocking underworld of human trafficking, be it female sex slaves or cheap labour.  Though the article specifically deals with the above in the US, it can pertain to anywhere in the world, at any moment, at any event.

My wife, son and I went to the Phoenix Open a few years back.  This tournament draws far more spectators than any other golf event, over 100,000 + people on the course each day.  We were amazed at the amount of "working girls" walking around.  Wherever large amounts of men with cash and booze are, you are going to find a huge amount of sex trade workers. Unfortunately there is a huge dark underbelly to all of this.
Was very bizarre and we never went back to the event.
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« Reply #320 on: August 08, 2018, 01:35:42 PM »
Is it Shanahan related, or is it more Bell/Rogers owning the team related? I'm not saying there's a nefarious conspiracy, but it would make sense for a media conglomerate to curate their message about a business property. It definitely appeared to 'stabilize' around Shanahan.

I don't really think it's either. I think that what happened was that certain things the new management team did, whether cynically or not, appealed to a lot of the new breed of media and there isn't anyone in the world who doesn't like being told they're pretty.

Would you be able to share some examples?

(Basically, I don't know what you mean exactly)

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« Reply #321 on: August 08, 2018, 06:45:58 PM »
Pretty is not bad, witty and gay right behind.  Charming and alarming a close 4th and 5th.
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« Reply #322 on: August 09, 2018, 10:10:33 AM »
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Would you be able to share some examples?

I'm sort of being facetious but as you're well aware there's really no way to avoid the sort of old school-new school divide between the Leafs' previous regime and the one that seemed to be in place when the Leafs brought in guys like Shanahan and Dubas.

Because a huge chunk of the debate in the hockey media over the last decade or so has been about these competing philosophies I think there were quite a few people who so wanted their beliefs validated that they were willing to pre-approve the new front office and give them credit before it was due. The flip side being the old schoolers wanting to take shots at it and give more credit to who they saw as their ideological horses like Lamoriello and Hunter.
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« Reply #323 on: August 09, 2018, 10:24:04 AM »
I'm sort of being facetious but as you're well aware there's really no way to avoid the sort of old school-new school divide between the Leafs' previous regime and the one that seemed to be in place when the Leafs brought in guys like Shanahan and Dubas.

Because a huge chunk of the debate in the hockey media over the last decade or so has been about these competing philosophies I think there were quite a few people who so wanted their beliefs validated that they were willing to pre-approve the new front office and give them credit before it was due. The flip side being the old schoolers wanting to take shots at it and give more credit to who they saw as their ideological horses like Lamoriello and Hunter.

Ah that.

During the Lou-Dubas transition, there was a very concerted effort in their media availabilities and subsequent interviews to stress Dubas' hockey bona fides to bridge the two factions of the fanbase. It's been quite interesting to see how each team that has been on the forefront of this 'battle' have chosen to handle it (see Florida).

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« Reply #325 on: August 16, 2018, 01:27:40 PM »

John Bartlett will be replacing Paul Romanuk at Sportsnet. Bartlett was a radio guy for the Marlies for a number of years before moving to do Habs games on the radio and then on TV for TSN.

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« Reply #326 on: August 16, 2018, 05:05:33 PM »
Unreal!!!!!!!.... He's a Hab's fan.  I want a Leaf Homer Calling the games with us this close to the cup. This guy had better be good. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

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« Reply #327 on: August 16, 2018, 06:24:02 PM »
I have not seen anything about whether Greg Miller is staying or not. I hope not.

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« Reply #328 on: August 17, 2018, 12:09:19 AM »
Romanuk meant well but he gaffed it up pretty fatally a couple of times IIRC.

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Re: Media Thread
« Reply #329 on: August 17, 2018, 08:56:01 AM »
Romanuk meant well but he gaffed it up pretty fatally a couple of times IIRC.

At least nobody ever smeagoled him.
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Re: Media Thread
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