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2019 HHOF Class: Wickenheiser and who?
« on: June 24, 2019, 11:34:12 AM »
ESPN has a good breakdown of the potential candidates to be inducted into the HHOF this year. This years class will be announced tomorrow. Hayley Wickenheiser is in her 1st year of eligibility and is a lock to make it. The rest of the candidates are mostly guys who have been eligible for a number of years now and might finally get in because of lack of better options. I have a pretty high standard for HHOF players so I'm not really crazy about that idea but we'll see what happens.

The ESPN article listed the following players as among the most likely to be named: Alfredsson, Brind'Amour, Mogilny, Roenick, Gonchar, Lowe, Wilson, Zubov, Joseph.

I've got soft spots for Mogilny and Joseph for obvious reasons, and I think AlMo has a pretty good chance of getting in this year (his 10th of eligibility). Joseph probably not though. I've also always thought Zubov was a very underrated defenceman in his career so again if someone has to get picked I'd be ok with him.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/27043098/who-makes-2019-hockey-hall-fame-class

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Re: 2019 HHOF Class: Wickenheiser and who?
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2019, 11:42:16 AM »
Mogilny should get in - on top of his prowess in the NHL, he also carries historical significance being the first Russian defector.

Other than him . . . maybe Gonchar, and possibly Zubov.
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Re: 2019 HHOF Class: Wickenheiser and who?
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Re: 2019 HHOF Class: Wickenheiser and who?
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2019, 11:57:54 AM »

Yeah, Mogilny should probably be there. Beyond that of those guys mentioned I think Roenick was probably the best of them and his raw numbers alone are probably HHOF worthy(especially if you ignore him hanging around for a few years too long) but he's very much a borderline case. I think it's nuts that Alfredsson will probably get in over him though.

Joseph should be in, and almost certainly would be if he hadn't spent his prime on mediocre teams, but I don't have faith that the HHOF will come to its senses on that one.
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Re: 2019 HHOF Class: Wickenheiser and who?
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2019, 05:42:45 PM »
Hayley Wickenheiser, Sergei Zubov, Guy Carbonneau, Vaclav Nedomansky, Jerry York and Jim Rutherford

Carbonneau getting in really baffles me.  He's a great defensive forward, has 3 Selke's and 3 Cups but he's a guy with a .503 PPG rate despite playing his prime years during the 80s.

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Re: 2019 HHOF Class: Wickenheiser and who?
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2019, 05:49:16 PM »
Hayley Wickenheiser, Sergei Zubov, Guy Carbonneau, Vaclav Nedomansky, Jerry York and Jim Rutherford

Carbonneau getting in really baffles me.  He's a great defensive forward, has 3 Selke's and 3 Cups but he's a guy with a .503 PPG rate despite playing his prime years during the 80s.

The selection committee maintaining their boner for anyone with a pulse from 80's cup winners.
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Re: 2019 HHOF Class: Wickenheiser and who?
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2019, 05:55:57 PM »
Well a couple of questionable calls but at least we still got this:


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Re: 2019 HHOF Class: Wickenheiser and who?
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2019, 06:05:00 PM »
Well a couple of questionable calls but at least we still got this:

A few tidbits.... Sundin was a point per game player. The only Swede to score over 500 goals. The most career points by a Swede. The first Swede to get 1000 pts. One of 3 players in NHL history to score at least 20 goals in his first 17 seasons.
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Re: 2019 HHOF Class: Wickenheiser and who?
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2019, 06:07:22 PM »
Yea, I get it's kinda close and all but Sundin has nearly 200 more career points and 120 more goals (including about 25 more GWG). Such BS? Basically identical? Really?
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Re: 2019 HHOF Class: Wickenheiser and who?
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2019, 06:19:13 PM »
Yea, I get it's kinda close and all but Sundin has nearly 200 more career points and 120 more goals (including about 25 more GWG). Such BS? Basically identical? Really?
And all those OT goals. Could you imagine him now playing in the 3 on 3 OT?

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Re: 2019 HHOF Class: Wickenheiser and who?
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2019, 06:20:18 PM »
I find that the difference between Alfredsson and Sundin can sort of best be seen if you look at their senior international totals.

Sundin: 79gp, 43g, 51a, 94 points
Alfredsson: 88gp, 32g, 42a, 74 points

To me, that kind of reflects how I think of both guys. I know some people might think that exaggerates the gap between them but Alfredsson really only had a couple years where he was his team's main offensive threat. He put up great numbers when on a super line with Spezza and Heatley but outside of those years he was a 70-75 point guy.
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Re: 2019 HHOF Class: Wickenheiser and who?
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2019, 06:52:51 PM »
I love that Sundin is basically in the sens' fans' kitchen for, well, eternity.

Now, turning to matters at hand: Zubov?

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Re: 2019 HHOF Class: Wickenheiser and who?
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2019, 07:01:50 PM »
I find that the difference between Alfredsson and Sundin can sort of best be seen if you look at their senior international totals.

Sundin: 79gp, 43g, 51a, 94 points
Alfredsson: 88gp, 32g, 42a, 74 points

To me, that kind of reflects how I think of both guys. I know some people might think that exaggerates the gap between them but Alfredsson really only had a couple years where he was his team's main offensive threat. He put up great numbers when on a super line with Spezza and Heatley but outside of those years he was a 70-75 point guy.

Alfredsson led his team in scoring 4 times.  Sundin did 13 times.  That says it all to me.  Alfredsson played with Yashin, Hossa, Heatley, and Spezza through many of their prime years.  Sundin never had that young elite forward talent to play with, other than with Sakic in his first four years in Quebec, and yet Sundin still has significantly better career numbers than Alfredsson.  They're really not comparable in any reasonable way.
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Re: 2019 HHOF Class: Wickenheiser and who?
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2019, 07:35:14 PM »
I love that Sundin is basically in the sens' fans' kitchen for, well, eternity.

Now, turning to matters at hand: Zubov?
Zubov was a very good D man. Somewhat underrated.

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Re: 2019 HHOF Class: Wickenheiser and who?
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2019, 11:08:25 PM »
Alfredsson led his team in scoring 4 times.  Sundin did 13 times.  That says it all to me.  Alfredsson played with Yashin, Hossa, Heatley, and Spezza through many of their prime years.  Sundin never had that young elite forward talent to play with, other than with Sakic in his first four years in Quebec, and yet Sundin still has significantly better career numbers than Alfredsson.  They're really not comparable in any reasonable way.

One comparison I did like was made, I think, by Puck Soup where they compared Alfredsson to Elias. Basically, the argument was that if you switched where each guy had their career, so that Alfredsson had slightly better scoring numbers and was a long time Captain in Jersey but Elias won two cups in Ottawa, would any Canadian media members think Alfredsson should get in over Elias?

I think it's a good point.
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