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Re: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #885 on: February 11, 2019, 06:57:57 PM »
Sometimes I like to go through old threads and laugh at posts that haven't aged very well. With the Marleau talk I decided to check the thread from his signing. Get a load of this idiot, very first post in the thread:

Honestly, it's a year longer and more money than I would have wanted without Thornton as a package deal, but I'm glad we signed him. Especially if it means we don't have to see Hyman with Matthews again. I mean, he HAS to have been signed to play 1LW, right?

Well... the first part obviously still holds up but man has my opinion on Hyman done a 180 in the past 1.5 years. Also imagine that we HAD signed Thornton that summer... might have made signing Tavares impossible due to cap constraints. Thankfully Lou wasn't as good of a recruiter.

That must have taken some digging. I should do the same.... I am sure we would all think differently if we knew then what we know now.

I do not have to look for a post to remember that I thought Strome was the better pick than Marner. I guess that is why I am not a hockey executive or scout.

At least some hockey executives and scouts thought that too so you aren’t alone.
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« Reply #886 on: February 13, 2019, 09:40:11 AM »
How to correct this in time for the playoffs?   Nothing new that we don't already know bit a nagging one nevertheless...

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...the Maple Leafs get run over in terms of the shot volume that they allow. Toronto’s played about 190 minutes worth of shifts starting with a defensive zone loss and given up 131.7 shot attempts per 60 minutes, behind only the porous Ottawa Senators and more than 16 shot attempts per 60 minutes worse than league average. The goals are following in lockstep. The league average team is giving up 4.0 GF/60 on defensive zone loss shifts; Toronto’s giving up 5.1 GF/60. The save percentage hasn’t been fantastic — the league average team is getting a .929 save percentage in these situations and Freddy Andersen and friends have given Toronto a .921, but the problem is basically equally a lack of saves and too many shots against.
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« Reply #887 on: February 13, 2019, 08:15:03 PM »
So Babcock has Hainsey back on the top pairing, rather than playing our newly acquired, actual top pairing defencemen there.

Babcock sees this:
  • Morgan Rielly without Ron Hainsey this season: 53.65 CF%
  • Morgan Rielly with Ron Hainsey this season: 48.58 CF%
...and cannot wait to get back to that pairing, even though the Leafs were winning without it.

It really is another Polak / Komarov situation.

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« Reply #888 on: February 13, 2019, 09:20:24 PM »
So Babcock has Hainsey back on the top pairing, rather than playing our newly acquired, actual top pairing defencemen there.

Babcock sees this:
  • Morgan Rielly without Ron Hainsey this season: 53.65 CF%
  • Morgan Rielly with Ron Hainsey this season: 48.58 CF%
...and cannot wait to get back to that pairing, even though the Leafs were winning without it.

It really is another Polak / Komarov situation.
I think it's more about keeping Rielly on his strong side. I didn't notice that Dermott was on the right side with Gardiner so maybe they're going to get Dermott used to the right side???

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« Reply #889 on: February 13, 2019, 09:30:52 PM »
I see nothing wrong with trying to pump up Zaitsev’s value.
Dermott isn’t going to see Rielly slotting in the lineup card, but you can bet he will be on the ice with him if we are chasing the score. They’re slow rolling Dermott deliberately.

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« Reply #890 on: February 13, 2019, 10:42:46 PM »
So Babcock has Hainsey back on the top pairing, rather than playing our newly acquired, actual top pairing defencemen there.

Babcock sees this:
  • Morgan Rielly without Ron Hainsey this season: 53.65 CF%
  • Morgan Rielly with Ron Hainsey this season: 48.58 CF%
...and cannot wait to get back to that pairing, even though the Leafs were winning without it.

It really is another Polak / Komarov situation.
I think it's more about keeping Rielly on his strong side. I didn't notice that Dermott was on the right side with Gardiner so maybe they're going to get Dermott used to the right side???

Yes, that's what it's about:

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"It was something we've been talking quite a bit about," Babcock said after the game Tuesday, "just because we think Mo should play on the left. We think he provides way more offence, way more shots and he's a better player over there. It's important to have your best guys play in their best spots."

Rielly had one goal and four assists in the six games playing on the right side.

"We have a group where we're willing to move around if we have to," he said, "but I think I speak for most defencemen – you’re more comfortable on your natural side and that’s just the way it is."

But... 5 points in six games is pretty much his pace on the season, isn't it? And Strangelove's process stats are what they are. Your best righty is your four/fifth best defenseman. That's just the way it is.

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« Reply #891 on: February 13, 2019, 11:55:30 PM »
So Babcock has Hainsey back on the top pairing, rather than playing our newly acquired, actual top pairing defencemen there.

Babcock sees this:
  • Morgan Rielly without Ron Hainsey this season: 53.65 CF%
  • Morgan Rielly with Ron Hainsey this season: 48.58 CF%
...and cannot wait to get back to that pairing, even though the Leafs were winning without it.

It really is another Polak / Komarov situation.
I think it's more about keeping Rielly on his strong side. I didn't notice that Dermott was on the right side with Gardiner so maybe they're going to get Dermott used to the right side???

Why can't Muzzin play on the right side with Rielly? Why doesn't the lefty/righty strong side rule apply to Hainsey?

The bottom line is that the Leafs' 5th or 6th best defencemen (a lefty) is being played as a top pairing defencemen. To me that's almost impossible to justify. The same way it was hard to justify Babcock's use of Komarov and Polak throughout the season last year (and to a lesser extent, Babcock's use of Marleau over Johnsson this year).

I'm not saying it'll cause the team to lose, because they're a great team with just about any lineup. But Babcock's player usage could be improved.

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« Reply #892 on: February 14, 2019, 06:14:49 AM »
So Babcock has Hainsey back on the top pairing, rather than playing our newly acquired, actual top pairing defencemen there.

Babcock sees this:
  • Morgan Rielly without Ron Hainsey this season: 53.65 CF%
  • Morgan Rielly with Ron Hainsey this season: 48.58 CF%
...and cannot wait to get back to that pairing, even though the Leafs were winning without it.

It really is another Polak / Komarov situation.
I think it's more about keeping Rielly on his strong side. I didn't notice that Dermott was on the right side with Gardiner so maybe they're going to get Dermott used to the right side???

Why can't Muzzin play on the right side with Rielly? Why doesn't the lefty/righty strong side rule apply to Hainsey?

The bottom line is that the Leafs' 5th or 6th best defencemen (a lefty) is being played as a top pairing defencemen. To me that's almost impossible to justify. The same way it was hard to justify Babcock's use of Komarov and Polak throughout the season last year (and to a lesser extent, Babcock's use of Marleau over Johnsson this year).

I'm not saying it'll cause the team to lose, because they're a great team with just about any lineup. But Babcock's player usage could be improved.

Perhaps it's not about that top pairing. Perhaps about protecting Zaitsev?

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Re: 2018-19 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion
« Reply #893 on: February 14, 2019, 08:29:35 AM »
Really don't think I saw any issues with Rielly on the right side in the games I've watched since the Muzzin trade. Hopefully it's given another shot but that seems unlikely, at least this season.

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« Reply #894 on: February 14, 2019, 11:56:17 AM »
Well it does force Dermott to play the right side now with Rielly, Muzz and Gardiner there so maybe he'll end up being there.

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« Reply #895 on: February 14, 2019, 12:30:34 PM »
The solution to this scenario is not Hainsey playing first unit minutes. Rielly on his left is surely a better option.
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« Reply #896 on: February 14, 2019, 06:08:49 PM »
I love Jake Gardiner, I really do, but Rosen would be a good replacement and perhaps we can trade Jake for #2 or # 3 RHD man which is our main need. There aren't to many RHD men on the Marlies either except for Lillypad and he is still a project, an injured one at that.
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« Reply #897 on: February 16, 2019, 01:37:57 PM »
Just another day when John Tavares reminds everyone how vanilla he is.

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5. Here’s John Tavares’s diplomatic take on the Carolina Hurricanes’ post-victory celebrations:

“You know what? When I played in [Bern] Switzerland during the lockout, there was a lot of that stuff. People over there really embraced it, and the fan bases, it was something they really appreciated. Something unique and different,” Tavares says.

“Around the league, the most common thing is saluting the fans. I’m not against it or for it. It’s up to each fan base and organization. It makes each team unique; they have their own things with their community and their fans.

“I think trying to think up something different every game is kinda difficult. I’d like something similar.”

So, you’re not lobbying for a post-game round of duck-duck-goose in Toronto?

“Changing it up would be too much for me,” Tavares smiled.

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« Reply #898 on: February 17, 2019, 11:21:49 AM »
(I posted this in the GDT today but thought I'd put it here too just because I'd love to hear how other folks feel.)

For all the sky-is-falling pushback, does anybody share with me just the teeniest sense of disappointment that, good as the Leafs are, it seemed at the start of the season like they should be closer to the kind of dominance TBL is showing?  Yes, I understand TBL is having a fantastic season.  But the fact is, there is them, and then there are about 6 teams right at the Leafs point level.  Heck, the lowly Islanders are ahead of us in the standings.  (Their fans must be having a hell of a lot of fun this morning at our expense.)  Anybody laughing at Lou now?

So yeah, I'll just come out and say it: I am a little disappointed.  It's not just that they crapped the bed last night; it happens.  It's that there are too many nights where they don't bring their "A" game consistently.  And given the forward talent, I don't think we should accept that.

The narrative going in to the season was that the Leafs would have 3 lines that would be almost impossible to contain.  That they would be dominant.  I never thought they would be quite as good as TBL.  But they don't give me the sense of being a dominant team.

I'm not naive, this is the best Leafs team in 50 years and I've never enjoyed watching them more than this year.  I'm just being honest, was hoping for a little bit more.

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« Reply #899 on: February 17, 2019, 11:37:29 AM »
I totally agree with you ZBBM.  The Leafs should be able to dominate most games with their offensive firepower. An engine just missing one spark plug won't work and perhaps a player like Johnsson may have made a difference last night.
What really bothers me is they seem to lack the killer instinct.  Hey when you get someone down put your skate on their throat and press hard.
The weird thing is they came out of the gate for the first 6 minutes like gangbusters and then they said this isn't working tonight and seemed to give up.  Not good enough.. Oh and where has Marner disappeared to? 
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