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« Reply #75 on: July 19, 2018, 11:45:46 PM »
I am not sure why Babcock does not play McBackup more often, he is a capable goalie, who in his 18 starts had a better save percentage then Andersen. Give him another 7 starts then Andersen will not have any issue with been tired in late Mar/Apr.

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« Reply #76 on: July 20, 2018, 12:34:55 AM »
I am not sure why Babcock does not play McBackup more often, he is a capable goalie, who in his 18 starts had a better save percentage then Andersen. Give him another 7 starts then Andersen will not have any issue with been tired in late Mar/Apr.
McBackup might not even be with the Leafs. I don't see Sparks and/or Pickard clearing waivers so unless Dubas trades one of our goalies I think they may expose McBackup instead of trying to slide Sparks through. Like always tho, we'll see.

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« Reply #77 on: July 20, 2018, 09:55:41 AM »
I am not sure why Babcock does not play McBackup more often, he is a capable goalie, who in his 18 starts had a better save percentage then Andersen. Give him another 7 starts then Andersen will not have any issue with been tired in late Mar/Apr.
McBackup might not even be with the Leafs. I don't see Sparks and/or Pickard clearing waivers so unless Dubas trades one of our goalies I think they may expose McBackup instead of trying to slide Sparks through. Like always tho, we'll see.

If all 3 can't be slid through waivers how do they keep 2?   Let's say Sparks stays up as the backup, they put both McBackup and Pickard on waivers to send down to the Marlies?

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« Reply #78 on: July 20, 2018, 10:01:54 AM »
I am not sure why Babcock does not play McBackup more often, he is a capable goalie, who in his 18 starts had a better save percentage then Andersen. Give him another 7 starts then Andersen will not have any issue with been tired in late Mar/Apr.
McBackup might not even be with the Leafs. I don't see Sparks and/or Pickard clearing waivers so unless Dubas trades one of our goalies I think they may expose McBackup instead of trying to slide Sparks through. Like always tho, we'll see.

This is certainly what I hope they do -- keep Sparks. McBackup and Pickard to the Marlies.  McBackup was great last year, but my guess is that it was a bit of fluke.  Goalies are unpredictable but he certainly should be on the downside of his career -- a career that outside last year was generally below average.  The league is awash with backup goaltenders.  It is unlikely both are snapped up.

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« Reply #79 on: July 20, 2018, 10:14:37 AM »
If all 3 can't be slid through waivers how do they keep 2?   Let's say Sparks stays up as the backup, they put both McBackup and Pickard on waivers to send down to the Marlies?

I expect this to be the plan. Pickard likely clears, his body of work in the AHL last season wasn't large/impressive enough for someone to think he's a massive upgrade over their current back-up. I'd say it's probably 70/30 that McBackup clears waivers too. You look at the goalie depth charts from around the league and it's very difficult to find too many teams who would take McBackup over their current backup. There's 5 or 6 that I'd say are maybes but all of them have younger guys who could definitely be ready to fill that role. If they implode during training camp though it could open up a spot.

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« Reply #80 on: July 20, 2018, 10:26:21 AM »
If they cut 10 games from Andersen, and his decline began in March last year. Won't his decline just start in the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs? I mean he has to be able to play 75ish games to win a cup doesn't he?

Its a matter of not having enough off days to recover.  Playing 70 games in a 7 month stretch is harder than playing 70 games in a 8 month stretch.

Sure, but if he's getting to the brink and then has to play every other night for 8 weeks with random gaps between series. That's a lot. If he wore out after 60+ games and 20 playoff games it would be one thing. But to wear out with a month left in the season, if wear is the issue, I'm a little concerned.

I think you're missing the point.  If they can start the backup in 10 or so more games, Andersen theoretically wouldn't be at "the brink", and would be able to handle the playoffs more easily because he wouldn't be worn down.  It's not a total games started issue, it's a total games started in a more compressed time issue.

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« Reply #81 on: July 20, 2018, 11:14:14 AM »
If they cut 10 games from Andersen, and his decline began in March last year. Won't his decline just start in the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs? I mean he has to be able to play 75ish games to win a cup doesn't he?

Its a matter of not having enough off days to recover.  Playing 70 games in a 7 month stretch is harder than playing 70 games in a 8 month stretch.

Sure, but if he's getting to the brink and then has to play every other night for 8 weeks with random gaps between series. That's a lot. If he wore out after 60+ games and 20 playoff games it would be one thing. But to wear out with a month left in the season, if wear is the issue, I'm a little concerned.

I think you're missing the point.  If they can start the backup in 10 or so more games, Andersen theoretically wouldn't be at "the brink", and would be able to handle the playoffs more easily because he wouldn't be worn down.  It's not a total games started issue, it's a total games started in a more compressed time issue.

Isn't the playoffs more games in a shorter period of time than the regular season?

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« Reply #82 on: July 20, 2018, 01:09:44 PM »
Justin Bourne had an interesting line in an article he wrote the other day about what analytics guys on NHL teams do. The article itself isn't really important to my point so don't worry about not reading it:

"Maybe the data say that a certain two D are best when together, but that coach knows that when they play together, it messes up the personnel groups he prefers on special teams."

He didn't expand on this really, but it made me think of our calls for Gardiner and Rielly to play together and how that probably won't happen as long as they're both anchoring the PP units. If they're both on the ice on a long shift that draws a penalty, then neither of them can start on the powerplay. Sure, you could throw Dermott or Zaitsev or Carrick out there, but it throws things off enough that if it happens consistently it becomes an issue.

Good observation.

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« Reply #83 on: July 20, 2018, 01:14:02 PM »
Isn't the playoffs more games in a shorter period of time than the regular season?

82 games in 185 days.  About 0.45 games per day.

Playoffs, worst case, is 28 games in ~70 days.  About 0.4 games per day IF you end up going through four 7 game series. 


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« Reply #84 on: July 20, 2018, 05:39:03 PM »
Isn't the playoffs more games in a shorter period of time than the regular season?

82 games in 185 days.  About 0.45 games per day.

Playoffs, worst case, is 28 games in ~70 days.  About 0.4 games per day IF you end up going through four 7 game series.

Yeah but Andersen doesnt play 82 games. Say he plays 69, which means all but back to backs. That's .37 a day. So as long as we're not going to a bunch of 7s he's fine!

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« Reply #85 on: July 20, 2018, 05:40:32 PM »
And the story is he was burnt out last year. If he's rate per day was .37, then that's to much. And playoffs could be .4?

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« Reply #86 on: July 20, 2018, 09:45:35 PM »
I find it hard to believe that there isn't more relevant mainstream individual stats for goalies than Save% and GAA. So much help is given to goalies on teams that have defense that can limit true chances, keep shots visible and to the outside, etc... those metrics could almost be considered a team defensive stat than for a goaltender.

My eye test last year was that Anderson was probably the team's MVP last season. He won them games they had no business winning, and the defense regularly gave up grade A scoring chances at critical times in the games. Yes, they probably overplayed him a bit. But the games they lost in the playoffs were a team losses, not gifts from Freddie, unless the expectation is that he stands on his head every single night.


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« Reply #87 on: July 20, 2018, 11:26:44 PM »
I find it hard to believe that there isn't more relevant mainstream individual stats for goalies than Save% and GAA. So much help is given to goalies on teams that have defense that can limit true chances, keep shots visible and to the outside, etc... those metrics could almost be considered a team defensive stat than for a goaltender.

My eye test last year was that Anderson was probably the team's MVP last season. He won them games they had no business winning, and the defense regularly gave up grade A scoring chances at critical times in the games. Yes, they probably overplayed him a bit. But the games they lost in the playoffs were a team losses, not gifts from Freddie, unless the expectation is that he stands on his head every single night.

Yeah, he was pretty bad in Games 1 and 2 against BOS but the whole team was beyond awful.  For all my caterwauling about Gardiner in G7 the other day you can probably throw that one in the same pile.

Those were 3 horriblehorriblehorrible road playoff games.  In a word, they were horriblow.

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« Reply #88 on: July 22, 2018, 02:24:10 PM »
I know some won't bother with this, but this one is worth spending a freebie on:
https://theathletic.com/439618/2018/07/21/the-goalie-business-plan-behind-leafs-goalie-coach-steve-brieres-model-for-success/

Since he was added to the Leafs' staff, our goalies have seen a turnaround in consistency, and I believe a large part of our recent success between the pipes has to do with Steve Briere's approach between the ears.

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“Even if you know nothing about goaltending, there are pillars to goaltending that you do know. If you say you don’t, that’s a cop-out. Goaltending is no different than business. I always ask the goalies in the summer who train with me for their training program so far and they say ‘well, I wake up at 9 a.m., I go to the gym, I work out, then I go on the ice, then I go for lunch, then I usually go for a round of golf, and then I hang out with my buddies and play Fortnite all night’ and then I say ‘How much of the game is mental?’ and they say it’s ’90 per cent of the game’ and I say ‘you’re right, it is.’ And then I say: ‘When did you work on the mental side of the game?’” Briere explained.

“Goalies only start to work on the mental side when they start struggling. The problem with that is it’s too late. You try to talk to a goalie when he’s struggling, he doesn’t care about half the things you’re saying to him. That’s something that we need to work on every single day.”

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« Reply #89 on: July 22, 2018, 04:30:14 PM »
It's 90% mental is such a cop-out of a cliche, too. Obviously the higher up we get in sports, the smaller the gap in the physical side, but to suggest it's down to 10% is just silly to me.

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