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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #75 on: July 31, 2018, 12:23:44 PM »
It's a pretty smart way to get those precious clicks during the dog days of summer.

And at least they're not just spitting out one name at a time and that's it. The profiles that are posted as well are pretty in-depth. I can understand why they wouldn't want to drop 25 of those all at once.

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« Reply #76 on: July 31, 2018, 12:30:48 PM »
24. Jordan Subban

Debut sort of.

I would have put Engvall over him. This list is already garbage.

I think it's because Subban is shiny and new.

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« Reply #76 on: July 31, 2018, 12:30:48 PM »

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« Reply #77 on: July 31, 2018, 03:56:33 PM »
I can't remember if they post them on weekends or not... so it could be 33 days! 

Weekdays only. 5 per week. 5 weeks total. August 31st is Auston Matthews.
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« Reply #78 on: July 31, 2018, 04:30:30 PM »

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #80 on: August 01, 2018, 09:15:50 AM »
23. Mason Marchment

Undrafted and basically set adrift after his junior eligibility wore off, someone in the organization really went to bat for Marchment's potential.

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You can’t separate the Marchment story from the “Kyle Dubas Three-Tiered Development Program” story. It’s a narrative that is perhaps overemphasized at times, but then you have Mason Marchment there and see him play and be a key contributor to the Marlies Calder Cup win and it’s hard to think it isn’t a real actual thing. Dubas sees the ECHL as a place to put some hidden gem who has very raw potential but needs extra time to develop. Orlando became the place to pan for gold, and Marchment has become the emblem of success for this philosophy for Leafs fans.

Even if he doesn't make the NHL team (he could probably fulfill spot duty on the 4th wing), I'm still big on this for the reason stated above. Marchment, Justin Holl, and Trevor Moore are the first wave of dregs from traditional development systems to float to the cusp of NHL opportunity. It's a much shorter runway for NHL success than your 1st and 2nd rounders, but if they catch fire for even a season or two, that's an asset from virtually nothing (other than time and contract space). They're not going to be your fully paid core players, but they are going to keep the prospect pipeline at a higher pressure and save UFA money for the players that matter. I think we'll see something similar with Kristian Pospisil.
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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #81 on: August 02, 2018, 09:34:05 AM »
22. Dmytro Timashov

I know I generally don't believe in this for the Leafs, but in a traditional team build, Timashov would be top-6 or bust. He's a heavy body, but doesn't play that shutdown style. Drafted in the same year but a year apart in age, he's basically the mirror Jeremy Bracco: perimeter playmaker and powerplay specialist with average speed (but getting quicker). The advantage Timashov has over Bracco is he plays the much more open left wing.
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« Reply #82 on: August 02, 2018, 12:47:36 PM »
much more open left wing.

I'm not doubting the statement, just curious on the theory. Is the left wing more open?

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« Reply #83 on: August 02, 2018, 12:55:52 PM »
I think it is. RW is Marner-Nylander-Kapanen-Brown. LW locked up is Marleau, Hyman, and Johnsson. After that it's open: Leivo, Tyler Ennis (though he's probably 4th centre)

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #84 on: August 02, 2018, 01:03:19 PM »
much more open left wing.

I'm not doubting the statement, just curious on the theory. Is the left wing more open?

I was referring to the depth chart on the Leafs in the top-9 as Bullfrog outlined. Bracco basically has no opening so long as Nylander is playing wing. Unless Babcock suddenly shifts his 4th line philosophy to PP specialists rather than PK, Bracco is destined to be trade bait. Timashov has a shot at a 3rd line spot when Marleau is gone, or Hyman is 4RW'd.

If we're talking systems though... I might point to the relative dearth of RD in the league, but I doubt that has any significant impact on entry routes/results. Shooting theory-wise, I have previously posited that a right-shot from the left wing has a higher success rate putting pucks into the net due to most goalies being right blockers (Ovechkin, Stamkos, Kovalchuk, Panarin), but I haven't the technical skills to scrape and parse the data (if there even is accurate data on shot location + shot on goal location + pre-shot movement).
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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #85 on: August 02, 2018, 04:32:12 PM »
much more open left wing.

I'm not doubting the statement, just curious on the theory. Is the left wing more open?

I was referring to the depth chart on the Leafs in the top-9 as Bullfrog outlined. Bracco basically has no opening so long as Nylander is playing wing. Unless Babcock suddenly shifts his 4th line philosophy to PP specialists rather than PK, Bracco is destined to be trade bait. Timashov has a shot at a 3rd line spot when Marleau is gone, or Hyman is 4RW'd.

If we're talking systems though... I might point to the relative dearth of RD in the league, but I doubt that has any significant impact on entry routes/results. Shooting theory-wise, I have previously posited that a right-shot from the left wing has a higher success rate putting pucks into the net due to most goalies being right blockers (Ovechkin, Stamkos, Kovalchuk, Panarin), but I haven't the technical skills to scrape and parse the data (if there even is accurate data on shot location + shot on goal location + pre-shot movement).

hahaha I so misunderstood your original post!

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #86 on: August 03, 2018, 09:28:42 AM »
21. Yegor Korshkov

Speaking of left wing options...

This one is further down the pipeline (at least one more year of KHL), but he has grown from young benchwarmer to all-situations utility man with wheels, flashes of skill, and the physicality to back up his size.
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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #87 on: August 03, 2018, 09:48:39 AM »
21. Yegor Korshkov

Speaking of left wing options...

This one is further down the pipeline (at least one more year of KHL), but he has grown from young benchwarmer to all-situations utility man with wheels, flashes of skill, and the physicality to back up his size.

This might be the most polarizing pick of the last 5 years.

I think what fuels further frustration is that we've never actually seen the guy play...DeBrincat has 52 points in 82 games, but interestingly didn't get taken until spot 39.

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« Reply #88 on: August 03, 2018, 10:03:33 AM »
This might be the most polarizing pick of the last 5 years.

I think what fuels further frustration is that we've never actually seen the guy play...DeBrincat has 52 points in 82 games, but interestingly didn't get taken until spot 39.

Does it count as polarizing if it is widely panned?
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« Reply #89 on: August 03, 2018, 11:07:14 AM »
This might be the most polarizing pick of the last 5 years.

I think what fuels further frustration is that we've never actually seen the guy play...DeBrincat has 52 points in 82 games, but interestingly didn't get taken until spot 39.

Does it count as polarizing if it is widely panned?

Yeah, that's probably more accurate.

The fact that he choose to stay in the KHL for another year, rather than signing with the Leafs and play Marlies hockey, probably isn't a good sign when he's 22 years old.

Having said that, I don't know that the Leafs even offered him a contract.