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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #465 on: July 03, 2018, 12:32:47 PM »
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« Reply #466 on: July 03, 2018, 12:41:49 PM »

I've heard he's one of those guys who really wants to stay out west but if de Haan doesn't de work out what do people think about maybe looking into Dan Hamhuis on a short term thing? Old, yeah, but still a decent contributor.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #467 on: July 03, 2018, 12:56:24 PM »
Is de Haan good?

He'd be a solid upgrade to the Leafs #4, and a significant upgrade to the 3rd pairing. If the team is looking for him to fill in on the top pair, he wouldn't offer much more than what they already have.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #468 on: July 03, 2018, 12:59:23 PM »
Is de Haan good?

Analytics folks like him. He's not a top pairing defenceman or anything but he's a good skating puck mover who should be a good #4 type guy. I think he's sorta Dermott-y if you want a Leafs comparable.

As long as he isn't grossly overpaid he's pretty much the exact type of player we need to be filling our defence corps with. Projection models have him at about $2.5mil-3.5mil on a deal with 3+ years.

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« Reply #469 on: July 03, 2018, 01:00:21 PM »
He'd be a solid upgrade to the Leafs #4, and a significant upgrade to the 3rd pairing. If the team is looking for him to fill in on the top pair, he wouldn't offer much more than what they already have.

I mean if he's replacing Hainsey on the top pair that'd be a pretty significant upgrade.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #470 on: July 03, 2018, 01:00:44 PM »
I mean if he's replacing Hainsey on the top pair that'd be a pretty significant upgrade.

Except that he's a LHD, so, that's not happening. Realistically, with Babcock's preferences, we're looking at him for the 3rd pairing.
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« Reply #471 on: July 03, 2018, 01:02:04 PM »
Except that he's a LHD, so, that's not happening.

The fact that the Leafs are chasing him means one of two things:

1) They're planning on trading Gardiner.

2) They're planning on moving a lefty (probably Rielly) over to the right side. They're not going to scratch Dermott.

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« Reply #472 on: July 03, 2018, 01:12:47 PM »
I agree with Carlton here, the fact that they're chasing a LHD means they want to make a move with one of the current ones.

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« Reply #473 on: July 03, 2018, 01:16:13 PM »
I agree with Carlton here, the fact that they're chasing a LHD means they want to make a move with one of the current ones.

I do think that it's more likely that it means option 2, but option 1 wouldn't completely surprise me. We know Dubas has spoken to Gardiner's agent already about a new deal. If he doesn't get the sense that Gardiner wants to return or if the price will be too high, I think Dubas shops him this summer. And considering the year that he's coming off of (like I said earlier today, he was one of the highest scoring defencemen at 5-on-5), his value is likely the highest it will ever be.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #474 on: July 03, 2018, 01:16:58 PM »
Except that he's a LHD, so, that's not happening.

The fact that the Leafs are chasing him means one of two things:

1) They're planning on trading Gardiner.

2) They're planning on moving a lefty (probably Rielly) over to the right side. They're not going to scratch Dermott.

I was wondering if it was #1... but where and for whom? To Minnesota? Winnipeg? Carolina? For an RD?

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #475 on: July 03, 2018, 01:17:41 PM »
Except that he's a LHD, so, that's not happening.

The fact that the Leafs are chasing him means one of two things:

1) They're planning on trading Gardiner.

2) They're planning on moving a lefty (probably Rielly) over to the right side. They're not going to scratch Dermott.

I wonder if Dubas and the likely increasing importance of the analytics department will make #2 more or less likely.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #476 on: July 03, 2018, 01:23:34 PM »
I agree with Carlton here, the fact that they're chasing a LHD means they want to make a move with one of the current ones.

I do think that it's more likely that it means option 2, but option 1 wouldn't completely surprise me. We know Dubas has spoken to Gardiner's agent already about a new deal. If he doesn't get the sense that Gardiner wants to return or if the price will be too high, I think Dubas shops him this summer. And considering the year that he's coming off of (like I said earlier today, he was one of the highest scoring defencemen at 5-on-5), his value is likely the highest it will ever be.

I didn't mean to put words in your mouth there, but didn't they already fool around with Rielly on the right-side last year or something?

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #477 on: July 03, 2018, 01:24:34 PM »
I was wondering if it was #1... but where and for whom? To Minnesota? Winnipeg? Carolina? For an RD?

I've speculated about a trade with New Jersey for Damon Severson before. Andy Greene isn't getting any younger and they just lost John Moore to Boston too, so their left side is pretty weak right now. Severson is a bit of a downgrade for us but he's a young righty who is signed to a very reasonable contract.

That'd give us something like:

Rielly-Severson
de Haan-Zaitsev
Dermott-Hainsey

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #478 on: July 03, 2018, 01:26:57 PM »
I didn't mean to put words in your mouth there, but didn't they already fool around with Rielly on the right-side last year or something?

Last season? No. He pretty much exclusively played with Hainsey who was on the right side. He saw very rare spot duty with Dermott and Gardiner from time to time when the Leafs needed a goal but the minutes there were very slim.

Back in the Matt Hunwick days though Rielly did play the right side. His numbers took a bit of a hit from what he was used to but it's difficult to say if that's because he played on a different side or because he played with Matt Hunwick.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #479 on: July 03, 2018, 01:28:50 PM »
I was wondering if it was #1... but where and for whom? To Minnesota? Winnipeg? Carolina? For an RD?

What teams think they're close enough -- or are sufficiently desperate to make the playoffs -- that they'd be in on a pending UFA? I'd suspect the Leafs want to get better, and swapping Gardiner for de Haan plus futures doesn't really do that.