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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #285 on: June 04, 2018, 09:45:23 AM »
In Lou's case though, I can't imagine he'd take a job like this if it didn't come with full control and where he was essentially the GM as well.

If he didn't want to retire and no GM jobs were available? I can. It's a face saving move after getting pushed out by Doogie Howser.

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« Reply #286 on: June 04, 2018, 09:51:26 AM »

I mean, taking a job where he doesn't have absolute control in part to save a little face after getting forced out of his previous job in kind of an embarrassing fashion seems to me to be more or less what Lamoriello did here.
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« Reply #287 on: June 04, 2018, 10:03:08 AM »

I mean, taking a job where he doesn't have absolute control in part to save a little face after getting forced out of his previous job in kind of an embarrassing fashion seems to me to be more or less what Lamoriello did here.

Which is also what happened when he signed with Toronto after getting punted upstairs in New Jersey.

That being said, the Leafs at the time and the Islanders now have an appetite for the mystique of Lou and whatever that brings to instilling a 'winning culture'.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #288 on: June 04, 2018, 10:07:34 AM »
My takeaway from this discussion is that from now on I can refer to our GM as Doogie.

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« Reply #289 on: June 04, 2018, 10:07:59 AM »

I mean, taking a job where he doesn't have absolute control in part to save a little face after getting forced out of his previous job in kind of an embarrassing fashion seems to me to be more or less what Lamoriello did here.

Which is also what happened when he signed with Toronto after getting punted upstairs in New Jersey.

Yes, the "here" in question was Toronto. Apologies if that was unclear.
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« Reply #290 on: June 04, 2018, 10:13:08 AM »

I mean, taking a job where he doesn't have absolute control in part to save a little face after getting forced out of his previous job in kind of an embarrassing fashion seems to me to be more or less what Lamoriello did here.

Which is also what happened when he signed with Toronto after getting punted upstairs in New Jersey.

Yes, the "here" in question was Toronto. Apologies if that was unclear.

Oh, I see it now. I thought it was more directly related to the Doogie Howser comment, and I probably would've understood it properly with non-textual emphasis. Thank you for clarifying!
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #291 on: June 04, 2018, 10:31:25 AM »
I mean, taking a job where he doesn't have absolute control in part to save a little face after getting forced out of his previous job in kind of an embarrassing fashion seems to me to be more or less what Lamoriello did here.

We of course really don't have any way of actually knowing this, but I think Lou more or less had about as much control as any other GM around the league would. He had a "boss" above him in Shanny but every GM technically does. I remember when he was first hired some of us were like "it's not as if Dubas' voice will be completely drowned out now", but I mean I think it kinda was (at least in some instances).

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« Reply #292 on: June 04, 2018, 10:37:47 AM »
We of course really don't have any way of actually knowing this, but I think Lou more or less had about as much control as any other GM around the league would. He had a "boss" above him in Shanny but every GM technically does. I remember when he was first hired some of us were like "it's not as if Dubas' voice will be completely drowned out now", but I mean I think it kinda was (at least in some instances).

My read on it, which like you say isn't hard fact or anything, was that Lamoriello was sort of like Quinn or Ferguson in as much as they had a fairly broad latitude to make decisions but within a framework they had very little say in controlling. That may be pretty common, I'm guessing most Owners control the general direction of a club through a President or themselves, but I don't think, for example, Lamoriello could have decided to trade Nylander for a more established scorer.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #293 on: June 04, 2018, 11:51:53 AM »

I mean, taking a job where he doesn't have absolute control in part to save a little face after getting forced out of his previous job in kind of an embarrassing fashion seems to me to be more or less what Lamoriello did here.

Which is also what happened when he signed with Toronto after getting punted upstairs in New Jersey.

That being said, the Leafs at the time and the Islanders now have an appetite for the mystique of Lou and whatever that brings to instilling a 'winning culture'.

With the important difference that the Leafs wanted to instill that culture as they rebuilt, while it seems the Islanders are hoping that mystique will make it more likely that they can keep their star player, perhaps draw the supporting cast he needs to think they've got a winning team (Kovalchuk?), and avoid the tear down/ rebuild that Lou oversaw in Toronto. It looks like the Islanders ownership didn't trust that Snow could get this done, so layered over him a President of Hockey Ops who they think can.

So, settling back into the armchair, it'd be fun if Dubas swoops in and signs both Tavares and Kovalchuk. A real Darth Vader striking down Obi Wan scene.

Getting either Tavares or Kovalchuk would be absolutely huge for the Leafs this summer.

Both.

Let's do lines:

Hyman - Matthews - Nylander
Kovalchuk - Tavares - Brown
Marleau - Kadri - Marner
Johnsson - who cares - Kapanen

Gimme gimme gimme:

Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Kovalchuk - Tavares - Kapanen
Marleau - Kadri - Marner
Hyman - whatever - Brown

... or just execute Operation No Third Contracts for Non-Core Pieces a year or so early and trade Hyman and Brown, let graduated Marlies and whatever else Dubas finds make up a slightly more skilled fourth line.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #294 on: June 05, 2018, 01:36:24 PM »
I feel like I say this every offseason... but Nino Niederreiter's name is back in trade rumours with Minnesota apparently looking to shake things up. I think he'd be a perfect fit for Matthews on the left side.

They're apparently desperate for a right-shot forward. Of their top-12 scoring forwards this season, only Charlie Coyle shot right and I believe he switches from centre to right wing (that's an absurd stat that I would have never guessed). Could start with a guy like Brown and see how much we need to add to get it done? They also need to cut salary so Brown's pretty appealing in that regard too.
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« Reply #295 on: June 05, 2018, 01:37:17 PM »
I feel like I say this every offseason... but Nino Niederreiter's name is back in trade rumours with Minnesota apparently looking to shake things up. I think he'd be a perfect fit for Matthews on the left side.

He was my centrepiece return from a potential Kessel trade way back when we were trading Kessel.
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« Reply #296 on: June 05, 2018, 01:45:52 PM »
Alex Petrovic (FLA, 26 yr old RHD) is available, according to Bob McKenzie's podcast.

You might remember him as one of the players that Florida protected by going 8 skaters, and trading Vegas Marchessault to steer them into picking Smith.
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« Reply #297 on: June 06, 2018, 08:46:38 AM »
Wait now Ryan O’Rielly is being shopped by the Sabres? Tavares consolation prize!
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« Reply #298 on: June 06, 2018, 09:01:41 AM »
Wait now Ryan O’Rielly is being shopped by the Sabres? Tavares consolation prize!

For other teams after we sign Tavares, sure.

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« Reply #299 on: June 06, 2018, 09:10:19 AM »

Yeah, Buffalo would almost certainly give the Leafs a really sweet deal on that one.
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