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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #195 on: May 09, 2018, 12:57:33 PM »
What the hell is Shanahan waiting for? Are we getting a GM announced this week?

Probably not, no. Honestly, don't expect anything until much closer to the draft.
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« Reply #196 on: May 09, 2018, 01:05:10 PM »
What the hell is Shanahan waiting for? Are we getting a GM announced this week?

For all the GMing that needs doing?
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #197 on: May 09, 2018, 01:22:53 PM »
What the hell is Shanahan waiting for? Are we getting a GM announced this week?

Probably not, no. Honestly, don't expect anything until much closer to the draft.

What the hell is Shanahan waiting for? Are we getting a GM announced this week?

For all the GMing that needs doing?

I think there's a lot that has to be done before the draft especially in sorting out the roles and the fallout coming from the decision of who becomes GM.  If the rumors are true and Hunter looks to leave if Dubas gets the job (or vice versa), then a succession plan will have to be put in place to replace one of those 2 as assistant GM (and GM of the Marlies).

Even though playoffs are ongoing, I believe other teams can still talk to each other about frameworks for trades going forward, you'd probably want to start discussions earlier on that, like way before the draft if you're thinking of making any deals during the draft weekend.  If other GMs have no idea who the Leafs GM is, they don't know who they should be talking to, and nothing will move forward.  It's always best to have your power structure well defined well ahead of any important dates.  I know that Shanahan is the top of the power chain, but unless he's carrying out the GM duties currently, things will slip.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #198 on: May 09, 2018, 01:32:28 PM »
I think there's a lot that has to be done before the draft especially in sorting out the roles and the fallout coming from the decision of who becomes GM.  If the rumors are true and Hunter looks to leave if Dubas gets the job (or vice versa), then a succession plan will have to be put in place to replace one of those 2 as assistant GM (and GM of the Marlies).

Both of those plans can be set up as contingencies for if and when they need to be actually implemented.

Even though playoffs are ongoing, I believe other teams can still talk to each other about frameworks for trades going forward, you'd probably want to start discussions earlier on that, like way before the draft if you're thinking of making any deals during the draft weekend.

I doubt there's much in the way of specific talk going on while hockey is still being played. Especially as lots of teams are conducting their own internal reviews/hiring processes. I don't think trades are such complicated beasts that you need a month's lead time to get them done pre-draft.

If other GMs have no idea who the Leafs GM is, they don't know who they should be talking to, and nothing will move forward. 

That seems like a beyond easy problem to solve. Preliminary discussions can go through Shanahan just like they'd have gone through Lamoriello before. All throughout Lamoriello's tenure we heard how much of what went on was a collaborative process. That still goes on just without Hunter or Dubas in the role of final decision maker because there aren't final decisions to be made.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #199 on: May 09, 2018, 05:41:13 PM »
I think there's a lot that has to be done before the draft especially in sorting out the roles and the fallout coming from the decision of who becomes GM.  If the rumors are true and Hunter looks to leave if Dubas gets the job (or vice versa), then a succession plan will have to be put in place to replace one of those 2 as assistant GM (and GM of the Marlies).

Both of those plans can be set up as contingencies for if and when they need to be actually implemented.

Even though playoffs are ongoing, I believe other teams can still talk to each other about frameworks for trades going forward, you'd probably want to start discussions earlier on that, like way before the draft if you're thinking of making any deals during the draft weekend.

I doubt there's much in the way of specific talk going on while hockey is still being played. Especially as lots of teams are conducting their own internal reviews/hiring processes. I don't think trades are such complicated beasts that you need a month's lead time to get them done pre-draft.

If other GMs have no idea who the Leafs GM is, they don't know who they should be talking to, and nothing will move forward. 

That seems like a beyond easy problem to solve. Preliminary discussions can go through Shanahan just like they'd have gone through Lamoriello before. All throughout Lamoriello's tenure we heard how much of what went on was a collaborative process. That still goes on just without Hunter or Dubas in the role of final decision maker because there aren't final decisions to be made.

I'm not convinced that there isn't a fair bit of General Managing to do.  The draft is only a week before July 1st...I would imagine that there would have to be a plan on who they're letting walk, and who they're going to try and sign to fill some of the bigger holes.  I'd figure a guy taking over that role would want, at least, a discussion on whether or not Bozak and JVR get deals.

Nylander is also a guy that needs a deal, and I can't imagine that would be something they want to drag out.

I don't for a second believe that there aren't discussions going on between teams, even if things don't get finalized until after the Cup is handed over.

The incoming GM has some decisions to make on the defense situation, I hope.  And if this is the case, it'd be nice if he had a feel for what the market is like for some of his players before he has to decide on what to do July 1st...and given that, teams get to speak with these guys a week beforehand, right?  So you'd need to decide on who you want to get in line with likely before the draft.




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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #200 on: May 09, 2018, 06:00:29 PM »

Yeah, again, I really don't see how any of that stuff isn't A) something they can be doing without anyone in the big chair or B) something that can be managed if they only name their GM in late May or early June.

Seriously, why does there need to be someone with the GM title for there to be an internal discussion on JVR or Bozak? Or in what way is the Nylander stuff complicated? They're going to re-sign him, they probably have a number relatively sketched out...why would the negotiations be something Shanahan couldn't delegate?
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« Reply #201 on: May 09, 2018, 06:14:25 PM »

Yeah, again, I really don't see how any of that stuff isn't A) something they can be doing without anyone in the big chair or B) something that can be managed if they only name their GM in late May or early June.

Seriously, why does there need to be someone with the GM title for there to be an internal discussion on JVR or Bozak? Or in what way is the Nylander stuff complicated? They're going to re-sign him, they probably have a number relatively sketched out...why would the negotiations be something Shanahan couldn't delegate?

Who has the internal discussion?  The 2 guys wanting the job?  Who's responsible for the result, or really, who would want to be if it goes wrong? What if the discussion leads to wanting to retain JVR, then who deals with the term and number?  Does the next guy even agree with that?

This is kind of a silly conversation, but really, in the position the Leafs are in, you don't go long without somebody calling the shots, and being responsible for the result.

If there really wasn't much to be done in the off-season, then really, what has Lou done since September that's of consequence? 

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« Reply #202 on: May 09, 2018, 06:23:17 PM »
Who has the internal discussion?

I assume the usual group that would discuss these things only minus Lamoriello. So Shanahan, Dubas, Hunter, maybe Pridham, Babcock, etc...

Who's responsible for the result, or really, who would want to be if it goes wrong?

If what goes wrong? A discussion? Again, you're confusing the need for a discussion with the need for a decision.

What if the discussion leads to wanting to retain JVR, then who deals with the term and number?  Does the next guy even agree with that?

Well, to answer the first question...Shanahan could assign that to anyone if a decision desperately needed to be made...but it doesn't. They can, however, still have an internal discussion so opinions are made and an attempt at a consensus formed. They did stuff like this pre-Lamoriello, they can do it now that he's gone.

This is kind of a silly conversation, but really, in the position the Leafs are in, you don't go long without somebody calling the shots, and being responsible for the result.

Right? The Leafs need someone in charge who can make decisions if they absolutely need to be made. I thought they had someone like that. Brendan...something Irish? I typed that into google and all I got was this guy:



So maybe it's him? True, his wikipedia entry doesn't say much about hockey but he was great in Garda.

If there really wasn't much to be done in the off-season, then really, what has Lou done since September that's of consequence?

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #203 on: May 09, 2018, 06:36:24 PM »
Who has the internal discussion?

I assume the usual group that would discuss these things only minus Lamoriello. So Shanahan, Dubas, Hunter, maybe Pridham, Babcock, etc...

Who's responsible for the result, or really, who would want to be if it goes wrong?

If what goes wrong? A discussion? Again, you're confusing the need for a discussion with the need for a decision.

What if the discussion leads to wanting to retain JVR, then who deals with the term and number?  Does the next guy even agree with that?

Well, to answer the first question...Shanahan could assign that to anyone if a decision desperately needed to be made...but it doesn't. They can, however, still have an internal discussion so opinions are made and an attempt at a consensus formed. They did stuff like this pre-Lamoriello, they can do it now that he's gone.

This is kind of a silly conversation, but really, in the position the Leafs are in, you don't go long without somebody calling the shots, and being responsible for the result.

Right? The Leafs need someone in charge who can make decisions if they absolutely need to be made. I thought they had someone like that. Brendan...something Irish? I typed that into google and all I got was this guy:



So maybe it's him? True, his wikipedia entry doesn't say much about hockey but he was great in Garda.

If there really wasn't much to be done in the off-season, then really, what has Lou done since September that's of consequence?

"The offseason" ≠ May.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #204 on: May 09, 2018, 06:43:04 PM »
Who has the internal discussion?

I assume the usual group that would discuss these things only minus Lamoriello. So Shanahan, Dubas, Hunter, maybe Pridham, Babcock, etc...

Who's responsible for the result, or really, who would want to be if it goes wrong?

If what goes wrong? A discussion? Again, you're confusing the need for a discussion with the need for a decision.

What if the discussion leads to wanting to retain JVR, then who deals with the term and number?  Does the next guy even agree with that?

Well, to answer the first question...Shanahan could assign that to anyone if a decision desperately needed to be made...but it doesn't. They can, however, still have an internal discussion so opinions are made and an attempt at a consensus formed. They did stuff like this pre-Lamoriello, they can do it now that he's gone.

This is kind of a silly conversation, but really, in the position the Leafs are in, you don't go long without somebody calling the shots, and being responsible for the result.

Right? The Leafs need someone in charge who can make decisions if they absolutely need to be made. I thought they had someone like that. Brendan...something Irish? I typed that into google and all I got was this guy:



So maybe it's him? True, his wikipedia entry doesn't say much about hockey but he was great in Garda.

If there really wasn't much to be done in the off-season, then really, what has Lou done since September that's of consequence?

"The offseason" ≠ May.
And in In Bruges!

Damn, I was just about to post that!

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #205 on: May 11, 2018, 11:04:01 AM »
Thorton quotes: I bleed teal and I want to come back and I know I'm going to be healthy when I come back. I'm sure we can figure something out, but I want to come back.

I was hopefully the Leafs could lure him for a year but I am sure the Sharks and Jumbo Joe will figure it out.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/thornton-willing-to-take-pay-cut-but-sharks-might-need-deep-discount-to-make-it-work
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #206 on: May 11, 2018, 11:11:27 AM »
Thorton quotes: I bleed teal and I want to come back and I know I'm going to be healthy when I come back. I'm sure we can figure something out, but I want to come back.

I was hopefully the Leafs could lure him for a year but I am sure the Sharks and Jumbo Joe will figure it out.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/thornton-willing-to-take-pay-cut-but-sharks-might-need-deep-discount-to-make-it-work

I was always a big Thornton-guy, but his injury history the past 2 seasons make it a hard pass for me now. Knee issues for a guy his age are a big red-flag. Just look at Robidas.

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« Reply #207 on: May 11, 2018, 11:53:12 AM »
I was always a big Thornton-guy, but his injury history the past 2 seasons make it a hard pass for me now. Knee issues for a guy his age are a big red-flag. Just look at Robidas.

Yeah. Especially since it's both knees, not just the one.
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« Reply #208 on: May 12, 2018, 02:48:23 PM »
What the hell is Shanahan waiting for? Are we getting a GM announced this week?

Probably not, no. Honestly, don't expect anything until much closer to the draft.
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« Reply #209 on: May 12, 2018, 04:02:12 PM »
Yeah, I stand by my initial assessment...there's a lot of work to do well before the draft and the beginning of free agency...especially if Dubas wants to make some immediate changes in personnel.  And they may be without Hunter soon, so that'll be another hole they need to fill, and bring that guy up to speed. 

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