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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2018, 01:05:14 PM »

All the attention right now is on the big-3's contracts (for good reason) but Johnsson's next deal could be very interesting as well. He's 23 years old, turns 24 in November... so despite being a rookie he's not exactly that young (in NHL terms). Do the Leafs feel comfortable enough in him to lock him up long-term, or do they go with a short term deal?

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2018, 01:15:33 PM »

Tyler, your son loves it here in Toronto. Enough that you should probably sign a 2-year contract worth $4mil to stay and be our 4C.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2018, 01:31:20 PM »

All the attention right now is on the big-3's contracts (for good reason) but Johnsson's next deal could be very interesting as well. He's 23 years old, turns 24 in November... so despite being a rookie he's not exactly that young (in NHL terms). Do the Leafs feel comfortable enough in him to lock him up long-term, or do they go with a short term deal?

3 or 4 years, 2-3M, a la Brown/Hyman, depending on whether he wants to land on RFA or UFA at the end? Staggered to be the next wave after Brown/Hyman, still not out terming the big 3. Kapanen gets similar shortly after.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2018, 01:32:39 PM »
All the attention right now is on the big-3's contracts (for good reason) but Johnsson's next deal could be very interesting as well. He's 23 years old, turns 24 in November... so despite being a rookie he's not exactly that young (in NHL terms). Do the Leafs feel comfortable enough in him to lock him up long-term, or do they go with a short term deal?

I wouldn't expect he'll get that much in value or term.  I'm thinking 2 years, 3 M (1.25, 1.75)?

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2018, 01:45:58 PM »
All the attention right now is on the big-3's contracts (for good reason) but Johnsson's next deal could be very interesting as well. He's 23 years old, turns 24 in November... so despite being a rookie he's not exactly that young (in NHL terms). Do the Leafs feel comfortable enough in him to lock him up long-term, or do they go with a short term deal?

I wouldn't expect he'll get that much in value or term.  I'm thinking 2 years, 3 M (1.25, 1.75)?

I'm projecting same term with slightly lesser value (% of cap). It's a good stretch of time to prove himself and pull a payday before he's over the hill. And even when he gets to the end of that deal, I doubt he'll exceed 4.5M AAV in production (Kadri level) should we choose to keep him longer, and we'll have basically made bank on all of his prime.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2018, 12:59:46 PM »
2nd round pick + Johnsson + Gardiner for a minute eating Dman.

Not a knee jerk reaction to Gardiner's one bad game. I group Reilly/Dermott/Gardiner as similar type of Dman. I think we can live without one for another type of Dman.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2018, 01:34:28 PM »
I'm most interested to see what they'll do with the $25m in cap space they have...

The big contracts won't be on the books for another season, so I wonder how many -- if any -- worthwhile players they can lure to play on 1yr overpayment contracts. It'll also be interesting to see if they get creative. Like... Is it a CBA violation to give Tavares a one-year $16m contract then re-sign him for 8 at 9m per? That's his $13m x 7 contract tweaked a bit.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2018, 02:01:23 PM »
I'm most interested to see what they'll do with the $25m in cap space they have...

The big contracts won't be on the books for another season, so I wonder how many -- if any -- worthwhile players they can lure to play on 1yr overpayment contracts. It'll also be interesting to see if they get creative. Like... Is it a CBA violation to give Tavares a one-year $16m contract then re-sign him for 8 at 9m per? That's his $13m x 7 contract tweaked a bit.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2018, 02:28:55 PM »
2nd round pick + Johnsson + Gardiner for a minute eating Dman.

Not a knee jerk reaction to Gardiner's one bad game. I group Reilly/Dermott/Gardiner as similar type of Dman. I think we can live without one for another type of Dman.
It would depend on what's in the pipeline. Is Timmy ready? Rosen? Holl? Nielsen?

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #54 on: April 26, 2018, 03:37:28 PM »
It would depend on what's in the pipeline. Is Timmy ready? Rosen? Holl? Nielsen?

We should probably stop thinking of Nielsen as an NHL option.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2018, 03:39:45 PM »
It would depend on what's in the pipeline. Is Timmy ready? Rosen? Holl? Nielsen?

We should probably stop thinking of Nielsen as an NHL option.

Probably ditto for Rosen and Holl too to be honest (even though I liked Holl's play in his 2 games, I just don't ever see him getting an extended opportunity).

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« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2018, 03:57:05 PM »
It would depend on what's in the pipeline. Is Timmy ready? Rosen? Holl? Nielsen?

We should probably stop thinking of Nielsen as an NHL option.

Probably ditto for Rosen and Holl too to be honest (even though I liked Holl's play in his 2 games, I just don't ever see him getting an extended opportunity).
I don't watch the Marlies, that's why I asked. Is that Igor Ozhiganov an option? He's a right hand shot? I've read where Kucherov was lobbying Tampa to bring him over and Babs and Lou went over to see him last summer...Maybe we go after John Carlson? Going to be interesting. Either way I think we need a top shut down guy so that Hainsey/Zaitsev can move down the depth chart.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2018, 04:03:19 PM »
Probably ditto for Rosen and Holl too to be honest (even though I liked Holl's play in his 2 games, I just don't ever see him getting an extended opportunity).

I wrote off Holl last season, but given the weakness on the right side, I can't ever say there's no chance on that side, unless we're talking about Corrado.

Rosen has been pretty good with the Marlies since he got adjusted (i.e. better than Borgman, but not as good as Dermott, Marincin). If they're willing to entertain him on the right side (after 3+ catastrophic injuries), he's got value. Unfortunately, his value is greater on a team that's not the Leafs.

Unless the Leafs drastically change in style on the backend, there is little hope for Rosen, Borgman. I hope the Marlies go on a hellacious long run here both for #TeamDubas and to give Babcock a really long look at what our player pool can look like if he lets go of a few hard-set ideas (boring 4th line, big-strong D requirement on PK, line reacting vs line dictating).

I don't watch the Marlies, that's why I asked. Is that Igor Ozhiganov an option? He's a right hand shot? I've read where Kucherov was lobbying Tampa to bring him over and Babs and Lou went over to see him last summer...Maybe we go after John Carlson? Going to be interesting. Either way I think we need a top shut down guy so that Hainsey/Zaitsev can move down the depth chart.

Ozhiganov is a bit worse (numbers-wise) than the free player we released to join his team in the KHL (Marchenko), but he does offer a different flavour of defense to what we've got. Not sure what his shot metrics look like, but he's less offensively gifted than Zaisev if that paints a picture. He has given commitment to the Leafs.

John Carlson is not likely the answer. He plays the semi-sheltered offensive D-man role. Unless Babcock suddenly decides that the new NHL is all about them goals and just goes hog-wild on offense-first-and-always, Carlson doesn't fit the niche we need filled. He's a points-getter too, so he'll be expensive and probably dreadful after the first 2 years of the new deal, especially if he gets pushed into the shutdown minutes he never played before.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2018, 04:11:30 PM »
It would depend on what's in the pipeline. Is Timmy ready? Rosen? Holl? Nielsen?

We should probably stop thinking of Nielsen as an NHL option.

Any particular reason for writing off Nielsen?  He had a disappointing year but he's only 21.  I certainly wouldn't bank on him in the next two years but he could easily have a bounce back year next year and look like a much better option.

Liljegren strikes me as a guy who needs a full season in the minors before being ready although maybe he surprises as a Dermott kind of callup if he gets off to a strong start next year.  Regardless, I think it rules him out as a viable option for the lineup starting next season.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2018, 04:15:32 PM »
2nd round pick + Johnsson + Gardiner for a minute eating Dman.

Not a knee jerk reaction to Gardiner's one bad game. I group Reilly/Dermott/Gardiner as similar type of Dman. I think we can live without one for another type of Dman.
It would depend on what's in the pipeline. Is Timmy ready? Rosen? Holl? Nielsen?
We need someone today, not tomorrow. I can't see us getting better as a whole without a trade. Our D needs a massive upgrade that's not available within or via UFA, this summer anyway.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2018, 04:15:32 PM »