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Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Watch
« Reply #105 on: February 17, 2017, 12:37:33 PM »

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle  now16 seconds ago

 Babcock says on @LeafsLunch1050 that Leafs fans should probably "find something else to do" instead of watching deadline day coverage.

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Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Watch
« Reply #106 on: February 17, 2017, 02:18:42 PM »

Which, while I believe the Leafs won't do anything huge on deadline day, is what he'd say anyway. No real point in saying "Oh man, we're going to be getting rid of a bunch of guys! Stay tuned to find out who!"
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Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Watch
« Reply #107 on: February 17, 2017, 02:53:25 PM »
From Jim Benning doesn’t know what a seller’s market is:

The moment in the interview that left me flabbergasted comes at 8:38. Blake Price asks Benning, “Would you agree that it is still a seller’s market?”

There is a long awkward pause, then Benning says, “Well, the problem is there’s not a lot of teams selling right now.”

Yes, Jim. That is the definition of a seller’s market.

Jim Benning, the General Manager of an NHL franchise worth an estimated $700 million, apparently doesn’t know what a seller’s market is.


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Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Watch
« Reply #108 on: February 17, 2017, 02:59:21 PM »

James Mirtle ‏@mirtle  now16 seconds ago

 Babcock says on @LeafsLunch1050 that Leafs fans should probably "find something else to do" instead of watching deadline day coverage.

Hey, he could be right and the Leafs doing nothing on *Deadline Day!!!* but what's to stop them from making a deal 3-4 days before deadline day?

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Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Watch
« Reply #109 on: February 17, 2017, 03:04:40 PM »
Eh, I don't want to be a spoilsport but that's not 100% fair. The article says:

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You have the supply, meager though it may be. The other teams in the NHL, the ones that are actually good and in the playoffs or at least in the hunt, they have the demand. With so few teams selling, there’s more demand than there is supply. It’s a seller’s market! This isn’t complicated!

A seller's market is one where a lack of supply and an abundance of demand causes prices to be artificially high. The thing is, despite the author's claims, supply and demand aren't simple concepts and they're not inextricably linked.

If very few teams are selling then that could be because demand is low and as a result the market isn't artificially inflated. Likewise, without a lot of teams selling, it's hard to gauge whether or not the market is inflated or not.

Lots of things are in short supply but they can still not be in demand and be accurately valued. 
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Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Watch
« Reply #110 on: February 17, 2017, 05:02:25 PM »

Hey, he could be right and the Leafs doing nothing on *Deadline Day!!!* but what's to stop them from making a deal 3-4 days before deadline day?

Nothing.  Nothing at all. :)

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Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Watch
« Reply #111 on: February 17, 2017, 05:24:10 PM »
Eh, I don't want to be a spoilsport but that's not 100% fair. The article says:

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You have the supply, meager though it may be. The other teams in the NHL, the ones that are actually good and in the playoffs or at least in the hunt, they have the demand. With so few teams selling, there’s more demand than there is supply. It’s a seller’s market! This isn’t complicated!

A seller's market is one where a lack of supply and an abundance of demand causes prices to be artificially high. The thing is, despite the author's claims, supply and demand aren't simple concepts and they're not inextricably linked.

If very few teams are selling then that could be because demand is low and as a result the market isn't artificially inflated. Likewise, without a lot of teams selling, it's hard to gauge whether or not the market is inflated or not.

Lots of things are in short supply but they can still not be in demand and be accurately valued.

Yeah, just because a bunch of teams are in playoff contention, that doesn't mean a bunch of them want to make moves.  I think more and more teams are taking the wait and see approach, and building their team more in the summer.
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Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Watch
« Reply #112 on: February 17, 2017, 07:54:07 PM »
I can see no.25 being dealt by the deadline,if another team can fit him in on the protected list in the off season.

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Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Watch
« Reply #113 on: February 18, 2017, 03:10:58 AM »
I love JVR and Bozie but I think moving forward on this team, any players set to make $4.5+ long-term will have to be at least good defensively, if not very good, along with all of their offensive weapons. There just isn't enough cap room and this league is just too tight to have anyone that doesn't back-check hard and have a high defensive IQ. Naz showed it last year so he got his money and term. Marnthews do it even at 19, so when they come up they'll get maxed out.

The reason why I don't think JVR and Bozak are here long term is not only will they probably be looking for Naz type money and term, but I feel they've been on the ice for too many goals against. I love JVR touch around the net and Bozie's offensive IQ and faceoffs, but the Leafs will have a lot of picks maturing in the next few years, most at the forward position. They'll all be cheap coming up and can contribute the offence we'll lose.

So I believe we're done flipping assets for picks at the deadline. Since we're in playoff races now I think these two will play out their contracts and hit the market. Bozie will be 32 when he's up but JVR will be 29, I think he's more likely to be moved next year if they don't sign him long-term. He could fetch something decent.
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Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Watch
« Reply #114 on: February 21, 2017, 10:46:43 AM »
Tomorrow is 2 weeks to the deadline.  Should I book March 1st off?

I used to book it off for a few deadlines.  Hung out with some buddies sitting around waiting for big deals to come through.  Never did.  Biggest waste of vacation days. LOL

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Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Watch
« Reply #115 on: February 22, 2017, 07:52:03 AM »
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Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Watch
« Reply #116 on: February 22, 2017, 06:25:20 PM »

Per Friedman's latest the Red Wings are coming to grips with reality and will probably be sellers on deadline day.
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Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Watch
« Reply #117 on: February 22, 2017, 07:10:34 PM »

Per Friedman's latest the Red Wings are coming to grips with reality and will probably be sellers on deadline day.
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Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Watch
« Reply #118 on: February 24, 2017, 10:07:19 AM »

Shattenkirk rejects 7 years/42 million

Worth a read. Apparently St. Louis had a deal with Tampa that Shattenkirk nixed. Will probably be a rental now.
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Re: 2017 Trade Deadline Watch
« Reply #119 on: February 24, 2017, 10:15:56 AM »

Shattenkirk rejects 7 years/42 million

Worth a read. Apparently St. Louis had a deal with Tampa that Shattenkirk nixed. Will probably be a rental now.

That's real dedication to ensuring you're turning your assets before they expire...or, I guess we'll see if they do that anyways.