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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #555 on: June 07, 2017, 08:29:27 PM »
It's the last one that really prompts the question. I'd rather keep JVR than deal him for not much more than they could get via smart UFA moving.

That's kinda where I'm at in terms of a trade involving JvR. The Leafs probably come out ahead by keeping him and signing someone like Smith instead of moving him for Tanev. I do think the Leafs can do a better in a deal, but, if the reality is that they can't, I'd rather see them move JvR for a highly thought of D prospect that's on the cusp of breaking into the league than move him in a deal that I don't think really moves the team forward.
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« Reply #556 on: June 07, 2017, 09:53:34 PM »
I think that's fair.  I agree on the health issues with Tanev.  That being said, I do think that his defensive play is probably of the level that puts him in the 3-4 range. If he could play a full season a #3 and with his health issues a #4.

Again, I'm not watching him night in and night out but I think even if he's some sort of defensive juggernaut that's pushing it. Look around at some of the teams who've had success this playoffs and the kind of guys who are #3 defensemen on good teams are guys like Ryan Ellis or Cam Fowler(or whoever on Anaheim you want to say is #3) or Bouwmeester or whoever we want to say is #3 on Washington. Sure, Pittsburgh's an exception but Pittsburgh are driven by 2 guys down the middle who we don't have and it still looks like their lack of blue end talent will catch up with them.

Remember, with the presumptive idea that Rielly-Gardiner are the #1-2 guys in the mix we're already at a disadvantage with the teams who have really elite defensemen. I don't really think this team can expect a lot of success if their top three is those two and Tanev. It very well might be a pipe dream but you at least have to aim for a #3 that at least puts you in that group because otherwise you're asking the Leafs to a Blueline without star power or real depth and I just don't see that working.
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #556 on: June 07, 2017, 09:53:34 PM »

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« Reply #557 on: June 07, 2017, 11:56:20 PM »
It's the last one that really prompts the question. I'd rather keep JVR than deal him for not much more than they could get via smart UFA moving.

That's kinda where I'm at in terms of a trade involving JvR. The Leafs probably come out ahead by keeping him and signing someone like Smith instead of moving him for Tanev. I do think the Leafs can do a better in a deal, but, if the reality is that they can't, I'd rather see them move JvR for a highly thought of D prospect that's on the cusp of breaking into the league than move him in a deal that I don't think really moves the team forward.

This. Smith seems like a safe, boring, effective choice compared to most of the other spec I've been reading.

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« Reply #558 on: June 09, 2017, 03:24:26 AM »
Ok, so how about the previous Lehtera and a 1st from St Louis for a minor prospect if that was on offer and either draft a prospect or put it into the bank towards an alternative dman?
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« Reply #559 on: June 09, 2017, 11:11:23 AM »
Ok, so how about the previous Lehtera and a 1st from St Louis for a minor prospect if that was on offer and either draft a prospect or put it into the bank towards an alternative dman?

Sounds fine. Seems unlikely that it would be though.
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« Reply #560 on: June 09, 2017, 11:42:55 AM »
Is the idea that Lehtera replaces Boyle then?

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« Reply #561 on: June 13, 2017, 09:32:23 AM »
Given the options, I think my D-plan for the offseason is officially "sign Smith, trade for Demers, convince Vegas to take somebody other than Carrick in the expansion draft, *edit* fire Marchenko into the sun".

Rielly-Demers
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Smith-Carrick

Riely, Gardiner, Zaitsev, and Carrick can all handle PP duties. I get it'd be weird to shake up one of the best PP's in the league from last season, but I'd really like to see Rielly and Carrick become the primary guys in the 1-3-1 system. I don't know. Just a gut feeling really. I don't really think either of Gardiner or Zaitsev were really super key in our PP's success. They helped move the puck around, but Carrick and Rielly can both do that too and I think create a little more as well. I'd also just like to see Carrick used on the speciality teams in some way, and he's obviously not going on the PK probably.

Smith and Demers could eat up a bunch of PK minutes. They'd basically be the new Hunwick-Polak except they're actually top-4 defenceman. If Rielly gets moved to the PP then I'd like to see Gardiner get his PK minutes. Again, more of a gut feeling and something I've talked about in the past too. I think Jake would perform better on the PK than Rielly did/would.
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #562 on: June 13, 2017, 12:02:45 PM »
Given the options, I think my D-plan for the offseason is officially "sign Smith, trade for Demers, convince Vegas to take somebody other than Carrick in the expansion draft, *edit* fire Marchenko into the sun".

Rielly-Demers
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Smith-Carrick

Riely, Gardiner, Zaitsev, and Carrick can all handle PP duties. I get it'd be weird to shake up one of the best PP's in the league from last season, but I'd really like to see Rielly and Carrick become the primary guys in the 1-3-1 system. I don't know. Just a gut feeling really. I don't really think either of Gardiner or Zaitsev were really super key in our PP's success. They helped move the puck around, but Carrick and Rielly can both do that too and I think create a little more as well. I'd also just like to see Carrick used on the speciality teams in some way, and he's obviously not going on the PK probably.

Smith and Demers could eat up a bunch of PK minutes. They'd basically be the new Hunwick-Polak except they're actually top-4 defenceman. If Rielly gets moved to the PP then I'd like to see Gardiner get his PK minutes. Again, more of a gut feeling and something I've talked about in the past too. I think Jake would perform better on the PK than Rielly did/would.

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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #563 on: June 13, 2017, 12:18:16 PM »
What about the Swedes we just signed?

I don't know much about the Swedes obviously, but from the reports I'd be hesitant to consider either of them more than bottom pairing guys who need sheltering right now. If we brought in a legit top pairing defenceman I'd be more comfortable having one of those guys or Dermott getting sheltered minutes, but since that likely won't happen we need to have a reliable 3rd pairing.

Maybe if we lost Carrick I could see one of them or Dermott taking his spot. I basically see our D as this I guess:

Rielly-Gardiner-Zaitsev-#3/4 D-#3/4 D-#5/6 D

If we want to compete without a legit top pairing guy we really only have room for 1 bottom pairing defenceman I think. As things stand, Carrick currently holds that position.
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« Reply #564 on: June 13, 2017, 01:26:08 PM »
Of the Swedes, I think only Rosen has a chance to make the team this season, but more than likely will begin with the Marlies. They're both on 2-year ELCs, so there isn't a rush. Rosen plays RD too, and is older than Borgman. Both of them make for yo-yo options should injuries crop up, being exempt from waivers and having played in a mens league previously.

From the scouting reports:
Rosen is a puck-mover with great wheels (seems standard for Swedish defenders these days), a great shot, and a smart two-way game. His flaws are with consistency

Borgman is a more physical defender with a stout frame (similar to Dermott and a slightly lighter Kulemin) that also plays well at both ends of the ice. His highlights look a bit like Rielly with a bit less skating and more shooting.

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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #565 on: June 13, 2017, 07:39:25 PM »
I have a feeling about Borgman, looks like a brick sh_t house and probably can stop a moose in full run. If he can shoot and get it done, all the better. Perhaps both spend a year with the Marlies and can be called up or one of them makes the team out of camp. Just better to have more competition at all places, its a no brainer.
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #566 on: June 16, 2017, 02:55:49 PM »

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Say, for the sake of discussion, that the Leafs extended an offer sheet worth $12-million to Parayko.  In order to be under the salary cap going into the season while matching that offer sheet, the Blues would need to shed $9-million worth of contracts before considering the fact that they would need to replace those players on the roster.  Even if they spent only $1-million on each replacement, which isn’t particularly realistic, it would mean that they actually needed to clear $11-million.  When you look over St. Louis’ roster, it becomes clear that this would be awfully difficult for the Blues to do without blowing out a rather large chunk of their roster for next year.

He's suggesting a 1 year deal @ 12million.

I am not sure why we would offer $12 MIL and lose 4 1st round picks when offering $9.8 MIL would only lose 2 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick.


Plot thickens in how insane it would be to offer another teams player to a ridiculous offer sheet....an RFA has to be qualified at 100% of the previous contract to keep his rights.

Getting locked in at $12 MIL or even $9.8 MIL is impossible to maintain.  This is a broken system for offer sheets.
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« Reply #567 on: June 16, 2017, 02:59:10 PM »

Quote from: Dellow
Say, for the sake of discussion, that the Leafs extended an offer sheet worth $12-million to Parayko.  In order to be under the salary cap going into the season while matching that offer sheet, the Blues would need to shed $9-million worth of contracts before considering the fact that they would need to replace those players on the roster.  Even if they spent only $1-million on each replacement, which isn’t particularly realistic, it would mean that they actually needed to clear $11-million.  When you look over St. Louis’ roster, it becomes clear that this would be awfully difficult for the Blues to do without blowing out a rather large chunk of their roster for next year.

He's suggesting a 1 year deal @ 12million.

I am not sure why we would offer $12 MIL and lose 4 1st round picks when offering $9.8 MIL would only lose 2 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick.


Plot thickens in how insane it would be to offer another teams player to a ridiculous offer sheet....an RFA has to be qualified at 100% of the previous contract to keep his rights.

Getting locked in at $12 MIL or even $9.8 MIL is impossible to maintain.  This is a broken system for offer sheets.

He also suggested making most of that 12M offer a signing bonus, so the qualifying offer would come back down to a more normal 4-5M.
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« Reply #568 on: June 16, 2017, 03:59:35 PM »
http://www.tsn.ca/radio/audio/dreger-leafs-trade-assets-will-include-jvr-bozak-likely-not-nylander-1.780870

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[Something like 6×6] is my sense, too. I guess what I would wonder is if they established the market by signing Zaitsev to a seven-year contract extension? The money would be less, of course, in the Zaitsev case, but I’m talking about the term here. They recognize that Nikita Zaitsev is part of the core going forward. Well, William Nylander has to be in that core.

I can tell you that, in the time I spent with Mike Babcock in Paris, the players he talked about were pretty obvious — of course Auston Matthews, of course Mitch Marner, but he brought up William Nylander and how well he thought he played, how far he thought his development curve spiked. That doesn’t sound like a player that the Toronto Maple Leafs are willing to dick around with in terms of trying to bridge or a shorter-term thing. They recognize the talent and the skill set of William Nylander and I’m sure they’ll do everything they can to get him into that five, six, seven-year term area.

If Toronto is going to acquire a defenceman — and they still feel they should add to their blue line — what is the piece? Who are the pieces they’re going to use? Even from an age perspective, and contractually, it’s going to be James van Riemsdyk or Tyler Bozak or pieces like that. We can stop — and should’ve stopped long ago — if we’re talking about William Nylander and the younger guys.

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« Reply #569 on: June 21, 2017, 09:21:31 AM »