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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #390 on: March 17, 2017, 11:33:24 AM »
Is this where we offer JvR and Bozak to them as a set? Built in 1st line right there. Short term hits at great value, for the measly cost of draft picks that they won't be putting to immediate use anyway, which can also be recouped or spent from expansion draft deals.

Or a JvR for a defenseman deal using VGK as a bounce pass point where there wasn't a direct fit with the other team.

They're not going to be trading a first round pick so they seem like a bad team to target with high value guys. Personally I can't see a JVR trade that doesn't return a 1st or a prospect from the 1st.
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« Reply #391 on: March 17, 2017, 12:45:17 PM »
They're not going to be trading a first round pick so they seem like a bad team to target with high value guys. Personally I can't see a JVR trade that doesn't return a 1st or a prospect from the 1st.

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I had silly hopes they'd part with their 1st (or two) for pieces that could expedite their competitiveness. Nevada, like Florida, doesn't have that pesky state income tax, so they could potentially squeeze JvR in at a lower cap hit long term.

Okay new ideas.

This is probably crazy, so bust it down as required.

Assuming the Rangers bag Shattenkirk as expected:
JvR + Kapanen for Rick Nash + 1st (2018) + Sean Day

The Rangers' time is 2017-18 and they need to load up to make it through PIT and WSH (and maybe CBJ). They get a younger, less bulldozey but more productive Nash who grew up a huge NYR fan, cheap RW depth they're lacking, and free up about 3M more towards Shattenkirk's mega deal.

We get a deferred 1st + defensive prospect project with upside + veteran LW power forward on a short term to sell at the deadline.
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #392 on: March 17, 2017, 12:57:20 PM »
I had silly hopes they'd part with their 1st (or two) for pieces that could expedite their competitiveness. Nevada, like Florida, doesn't have that pesky state income tax, so they could potentially squeeze JvR in at a lower cap hit long term.

In theory that makes some sense. In practice, we've had first row seats to JVR and Bozak being on a team's first line and what that does for competitiveness.
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #393 on: March 17, 2017, 01:04:15 PM »
The point of the longer window is to allow Vegas to work out deals with other teams for players available.  If I was McPhee that extra 24 hours might be very handy as you'll have lots of teams calling offering stuff for players on the expansion list.  If I was McPhee, I'd maximize the number of defensemen I pick (and there will bmore- since they come at a premium on the trade market.  Knowing what you can get back for some of these players will go a long way to help decide who else to pick from other teams.

If I'm McPhee I'd be very careful about trading some of the better players available to him as part of the expansion draft if the return is draft picks who won't materialize for 4-5 years. I think part of the reason the Expansion draft is shaped the way it is is because the NHL sees the follies of going into a new market, one that's very sketchy as a hockey market and may very well have to compete with the NFL, and being absolute garbage for 4-5 years.

He's not going to be able to put together a good team immediately but if he's not looking at the expansion draft primarily as a way to take players who'll actually play minutes for him then I think he'll have badly misjudged the market he's in.

Obviously McPhee can't just pick a bunch of NHL players (even if they are middle or bottom of the lineup guys) and trade them away for draft picks.

1.  He needs to get to the Cap Floor
2.  He needs a team that isn't completely noncompetitive.
3.  As much as draft picks are great currency for building a franchise, I don't see many teams giving up the ones VGK would want anyways- not for the players available in the expansion draft.

However, there are teams in the NHL today that are too close to the salary cap but don't want to lose players for nothing- so they will protect those players.  I'm sure those teams would be willing to trade a higher-end player, especially if it helps them dump a bad salary in the process and recoup a middle of the lineup player.

This is entirely hypothetical and probably won't happen because the players I'm naming have NMC's and won't want to go to Vegas-  But I'm just putting it together as an example because I haven't looked at each team's roster and cap commitments moving forward.

As herman pointed out- NYR may want to part with Rick Nash but you can be sure they won't let him go for nothing.  I'm sure they'd love to also like to move on from Dan Girardi.  Moving both of those players out and getting someone from the available expansion players would benefit both sides:

Vegas gets to the cap floor much easier- and get a bit of star power in Nash.  Rangers move out salary to go after their UFA target Shattenkirk and still get a serviceable player back.

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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #394 on: March 17, 2017, 02:15:32 PM »
In theory that makes some sense. In practice, we've had first row seats to JVR and Bozak being on a team's first line and what that does for competitiveness.

I totally agree, personally, but this is where a GM/owner might be emotionally sold.

Semi-seriously, but not really:
We could, theoretically, point to how well they still produced without Kessel, and how well the rookie on their line is producing "thanks to them", and what exemplary leadership/dressing room influences they are. Instant 'star power' of an American Olympiad and semi-local star (Bozak/Denver?) for their team to put bums in seats and money in the coffers, but not so cost prohibitive or long term that they gum up a build. They'll be immediately better than whatever 1st rounders they land in the next two/three years.

Still, you're right. It'd take way more than that to pry away 1st rounders from an Expansion team.
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #395 on: March 17, 2017, 02:21:35 PM »
I still like to think something can be done with JVR + for Trouba.

Right now, Ehlers and Perreault might now (EDIT: not) be enough on the LW.
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #396 on: March 17, 2017, 05:29:11 PM »
I can't see Las Vegas giving up many draft picks. Considering they'll be last in the league (or near it), these are valuable picks.

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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #397 on: March 17, 2017, 09:47:59 PM »
I can't see Las Vegas giving up many draft picks. Considering they'll be last in the league (or near it), these are valuable picks.

Same. Unless they're getting prospects/young players of a roughly equivalent expected talent level, their 1st and 2nd round picks are basically off the table. Mid and late round picks might be a different story, but, they're also less interesting acquisitions.
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #398 on: March 17, 2017, 10:09:25 PM »
In theory that makes some sense. In practice, we've had first row seats to JVR and Bozak being on a team's first line and what that does for competitiveness.

I totally agree, personally, but this is where a GM/owner might be emotionally sold.

Semi-seriously, but not really:
We could, theoretically, point to how well they still produced without Kessel, and how well the rookie on their line is producing "thanks to them", and what exemplary leadership/dressing room influences they are. Instant 'star power' of an American Olympiad and semi-local star (Bozak/Denver?) for their team to put bums in seats and money in the coffers, but not so cost prohibitive or long term that they gum up a build.

"Sure, Tyler Bozak might not seem like such a big deal but remember, he played his college hockey 750 miles away in a different state. Think of the tickets he'll sell!"

The excitement of being able to see someone who went to university a mere 11 hour drive away aside, expansion teams typically don't have to worry too much about selling tickets right out of the gate. What gums them up is being bad for a protracted period of time. Trading away picks that are likely to be top 5 picks are what is most likely to do that.

I mean, if we can maybe come up with some sort of Lyle Lanley song for Shanahan to play at the GM meetings, sure:

Bozak! Bozak! Bozak!

McPhee: He doesn't score a lot I see,
Shanahan: He's the best choice for your Captaincy
McPhee: But no one here knows who they are?
Shanahan: Pfft, Denver's really not that far!
McPhee: His advanced stats sure lack Pizazz
Shanhan: They're off the charts, just ask Dubas!

Shanahan: I swear Bozak's near pure perfection, and just for your first round selection, Bozak! Bozak! Bozaaaaaaaaaak!

Lamoriello: Bozak is, er, ah, real....d'oh.
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #399 on: March 18, 2017, 08:48:57 AM »
Well done, sir! I tip my hat to you.
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #400 on: April 23, 2017, 10:31:38 PM »
Alright, time to move JvR and improve the defence...  Get it on Lou.

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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #401 on: April 23, 2017, 10:37:57 PM »

Things I'm sure about:

X-Matthews-Marner
X-Nylander-Kapanen
X-Kadri-Brown
X-X-X

Gardiner-Zaitsev
Rielly-X
X-X

Andersen
X

Everything else is negotiable.
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #402 on: April 23, 2017, 11:27:48 PM »

Things I'm sure about:

X-Matthews-Marner
X-Nylander-Kapanen
X-Kadri-Brown
X-X-X

Gardiner-Zaitsev
Rielly-X
X-X

Andersen
X

Everything else is negotiable.

I agree 100%

I hope the 3rd pairing has pending UFA ex-Red Wing Brendan Smith on LHD.
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #403 on: April 24, 2017, 01:19:18 AM »
And we want no part of Shattenkirk...He didn't impress me at all...I think the Leafs will be calling the Ducks...They can't protect all of their D.

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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #404 on: April 24, 2017, 08:04:32 AM »
Are there any young Matt Niskanen type defense in UFA this year? He was more the type of player I think the Leafs could conceivably make a pitch for, and kind of the characteristic opposite to Shattenkirk.

Lower goal scoring = cheaper, but defensively sound puck mover (i.e. Who I hope Zaitsev will be long term).
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