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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #915 on: July 28, 2019, 06:53:18 PM »
Huh. Well, that's two of their top pitching prospects anyway, not much in the way of top prospects list stuff.

Yeah. Not an overwhelming return, but two guys with solid MLB potential.

If thats the entire return, its not great, but possibly not awful either.
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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #917 on: July 28, 2019, 11:13:19 PM »
Huh. Well, that's two of their top pitching prospects anyway, not much in the way of top prospects list stuff.

Yeah. Not an overwhelming return, but two guys with solid MLB potential.

If thats the entire return, its not great, but possibly not awful either.

Apparently the jays are sending cash as well. Which honestly seems funny to me.

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« Reply #918 on: July 29, 2019, 12:43:20 AM »
Home is where the heart is, but a part reserved for T.O.:


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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #919 on: July 29, 2019, 11:07:30 AM »
Underwhelming return for Stroman?  Depends whom you ask:

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One executive called the Blue Jays return of lefty Anthony Kay and righty Simeon Woods-Richardson for Stroman incredibly light. Another said, It feels really odd to me that Toronto didnt get a top-100 type at least and still did the deal with days to go.

Another source claims that teams refused to overpay.  The original rumoured bidders such as the Yankees obviously were unwilling to part with one of their top prospects in Daivi Garcia, whom the Jays were targeting as a potential return in this deal.

Toronto wasted little time in bargaining and wanted to get it over with, so the Mets were the deal makers.


https://theathletic.com/1103459/2019/07/29/rosenthal-with-stroman-off-the-board-whos-next-diamondbacks-may-be-buying-and-selling-braves-look-for-relief/?article_source=related

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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #920 on: July 30, 2019, 08:39:00 AM »
Not all Blue Jay fans will agree, but now that the team seems roughly set with their core group, the focus shifts to the rotation, that so far has hardly impressed enough to warrant a long-term solution.

As the article deftly points out, the trades, returns, and timing of some in regards to Shapiro & Atkins decision-making is suspect at best.  Then again, there probably wasnt really much in the way of returns in the first place.

Read and judge for yourselves.  (Yes, its a Steve Simmons writeup but on point):
https://torontosun.com/sports/baseball/simmons-paddling-in-circles-forever-will-get-the-blue-jays-nowhere

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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #921 on: July 30, 2019, 07:47:51 PM »
Blue Jays trade reliever David Phelps for P Thomas Hatch, a Chicago Cubs prospect plus cash:


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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #922 on: July 30, 2019, 07:51:57 PM »
Person of interest:  Justin Smoak.  Several teams inquiring...


https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/cleveland-indians-interested-in-toronto-blue-jays-justin-smoak-150428015.html

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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #923 on: July 31, 2019, 02:56:26 AM »
Guess whos mad now?


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...when you go against industry consensus you open yourself up to questions if things go sideways - and when it comes to being better than other teams at player evaluation and development, the Blue Jays havent done much to earn the benefit of the doubt.

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https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/report-mlb-teams-very-annoyed-with-blue-jays-marcus-stroman-deal-154009074.html

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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #924 on: July 31, 2019, 04:25:03 PM »
Umm the jays just traded Sanchez and Biagini to Houston for ... pretty much nothing.

Has Atkins made 1 impactful trade? Anything? This is ridiculous

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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #925 on: July 31, 2019, 04:37:50 PM »
Umm the jays just traded Sanchez and Biagini to Houston for ... pretty much nothing.

Has Atkins made 1 impactful trade? Anything? This is ridiculous

Has the full return been announced anywhere yet? All I can see is Derek Fisher and speculation other players that haven't been informed yet.
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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #926 on: July 31, 2019, 04:45:01 PM »
Umm the jays just traded Sanchez and Biagini to Houston for ... pretty much nothing.


Are you under the impression that those guys are good players?

Apparently Cal Stevenson was included in the trade and that I find interesting. He's a pretty decent prospect.

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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #927 on: July 31, 2019, 04:59:38 PM »
Umm the jays just traded Sanchez and Biagini to Houston for ... pretty much nothing.


Are you under the impression that those guys are good players?

Apparently Cal Stevenson was included in the trade and that I find interesting. He's a pretty decent prospect.

No. Im questioning why you would trade Sanchez at his absolute lowest value. There was no rush. Let him pitch another year see if he gets back on track. They had nothing to lose.

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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #928 on: July 31, 2019, 05:08:18 PM »
Umm the jays just traded Sanchez and Biagini to Houston for ... pretty much nothing.


Are you under the impression that those guys are good players?

Apparently Cal Stevenson was included in the trade and that I find interesting. He's a pretty decent prospect.

No. Im questioning why you would trade Sanchez at his absolute lowest value. There was no rush. Let him pitch another year see if he gets back on track. They had nothing to lose.

Actually his lowest value would be him on the DL next year which, given his track record, isn't all that unlikely a scenario.

Further to that point, it's possible he's really only a bullpen arm and the market for those certainly isn't any higher than that of a bad back of the rotation starter with "potential."

Including Stevenson in this deal, though, is a little concerning to me. It just sounds like Luhnow smelled blood in the water and kept attacking.

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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #929 on: July 31, 2019, 05:30:56 PM »
Umm the jays just traded Sanchez and Biagini to Houston for ... pretty much nothing.

Has Atkins made 1 impactful trade? Anything? This is ridiculous

Has the full return been announced anywhere yet? All I can see is Derek Fisher and speculation other players that haven't been informed yet.

Hey, we also gave them a prospect.   This is ummm really not good.

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