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Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
« Reply #390 on: March 08, 2016, 11:16:18 AM »
Some trades at the draft or packages including our existing UFA vets would open up spots for Marner, Brown.

I personally wouldn't mind running even 10 kids next year if we can cleanly clear out the vets we don't need. The benefit of pulling in Nylander, Carrick, and Sparks for the final stretch is that they wouldn't really be rookies going into next year. Soshnikov and Hyman will have that benefit as well seeing as how Lupul and JvR are done for the year, and Froese and PAP are still out.

Running Leivo, Leipsic and maybe Sam Carrick means we don't really need to sign any UFAs up front.

I'm also not worried about the Edmonton rebuild issue of having too many kids in the lineup; that situation was very different in its lack of structure and support systems on and off the team for the kids. Here, even vets are getting skating lessons.
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Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
« Reply #391 on: March 08, 2016, 08:05:22 PM »
I personally wouldn't mind running even 10 kids next year if we can cleanly clear out the vets we don't need.

I dunno. I love the idea of just throwing the Marlies out there next season, but I think it's good to have a bit of a veteran presence, and it would likely be more beneficial for some of the kids to be playing top minutes at the AHL level than 3rd or 4th line duty in the NHL. There also has to be some form of internal competition for icetime throughout the season to keep players working hard - there has to be some sort of structure there.

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« Reply #392 on: March 09, 2016, 09:13:36 AM »
I personally wouldn't mind running even 10 kids next year if we can cleanly clear out the vets we don't need.

I dunno. I love the idea of just throwing the Marlies out there next season, but I think it's good to have a bit of a veteran presence, and it would likely be more beneficial for some of the kids to be playing top minutes at the AHL level than 3rd or 4th line duty in the NHL. There also has to be some form of internal competition for icetime throughout the season to keep players working hard - there has to be some sort of structure there.

On the whole, I agree with you. Guys like Kapanen, Lindberg, and Bibeau could use time as the #1s of their respective positions next season in the AHL.

I'm thinking more along the lines of players who a) have nothing left to prove in the AHL: Nylander, Hyman, Soshnikov, C. Carrick, Leipsic; and b) are at the point in their development curve that it is make or break: Leivo, S. Carrick, Percy.

If we pick top 3, that guy (Matthew/Laine/Puljujarvi) is almost a shoo-in for the NHL having all played (and excelled) against men in their respective leagues. Add Marner, who really can't go anywhere else. That's already 10 before you fill in gaps with guys like Loov, Valiev, Sparks, or pickups like Zaitsev. Fortunately, in that list of 10-12ish players, most have had, or will have had a good look in the NHL, with only a small handful of true rookies to shepherd.

How many character veterans does a team that's not expected to reach the playoffs really need when there is also Babcock (and Lou) at the helm, and super-skilled prime time players like Kadri and Rielly toeing the company line? I'm thinking 4-5 would be sufficient: Laich, Lupul, Hunwick, and Robidas.
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Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
« Reply #393 on: March 09, 2016, 09:29:35 AM »
I don't know if I'd call Laine and Puljujarvi shoo-ins for the NHL next season, at least not with the Leafs. The fact that they're being drafted out of Europe means they can play in the AHL immediately (Matthews can too, but obviously won't). So if they're being developed by the Leafs I wouldn't be surprised if they at least start with the Marlies.

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« Reply #394 on: March 09, 2016, 09:32:52 AM »
I don't know if I'd call Laine and Puljujarvi shoo-ins for the NHL next season, at least not with the Leafs. The fact that they're being drafted out of Europe means they can play in the AHL immediately (Matthews can too, but obviously won't). So if they're being developed by the Leafs I wouldn't be surprised if they at least start with the Marlies.

That crossed my mind too (and it would be nice for Kapanen and whoever centres that line). It's still 9 players who probably should get NHL looks in a year that doesn't matter.
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« Reply #395 on: March 09, 2016, 09:39:18 AM »
The Marlies are also looking at another pretty big injection of youth next season. I mentioned potentially Laine and Puljujarvi, but there's also: Timashov, Dermott, Nielsen, and Johnson. I believe Bracco would be eligible to play in the AHL too but he'll probably be sent back to the OHL for another season.

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Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
« Reply #396 on: March 09, 2016, 09:43:18 AM »
There will be a lot of young players/kids in the lineup next year, but some of the guys people are penciling in to the roster might not quite be ready to be full-time NHLers yet. There's no reason to just push kids into the lineup to jsut have them there. The guys that are ready need to be there. The guys that aren't need to be somewhere else - and that probably includes guys like Brown, Kapanen, etc., who might be ready, but aren't quite as advanced as Nylander, Shoshnikov, etc.
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Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
« Reply #397 on: March 09, 2016, 10:15:49 AM »
I hope we can spin off some packages at the draft of vets or prime players on the older side (JvR, primarily) with tweeners who need a change of scenery for prospects with upside and futures.
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Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
« Reply #398 on: March 09, 2016, 10:31:29 AM »

I dunno. I love the idea of just throwing the Marlies out there next season, but I think it's good to have a bit of a veteran presence, and it would likely be more beneficial for some of the kids to be playing top minutes at the AHL level than 3rd or 4th line duty in the NHL. There also has to be some form of internal competition for icetime throughout the season to keep players working hard - there has to be some sort of structure there.

I really only think that's true if the players aren't yet capable of playing a 3rd or 4th line role with the Leafs. Otherwise it's tough to argue that players wouldn't learn more with the big club getting coached by Babcock.

Keep in mind that we're not talking about old time 4th lines here. Against Buffalo the 4th line got nearly 12 minutes of ice time. That's a pretty regular shift. So long as players are capable of contributing while here and there's room to reward good play with advancement(and "what will we do with all of these players who are clearly first liners?" is not a problem the Leafs are likely to have next year) then I really think the NHL is the best place to develop talented young players.   
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« Reply #399 on: March 09, 2016, 12:42:59 PM »
So where does Vesey slot into this whole mess? Humor me here.  ;)
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Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
« Reply #400 on: March 09, 2016, 01:00:55 PM »
Looks like we have so many talented players and to few spots. I guess guys like Timashov, Bracco, Dzerkles, etc. are going to play for the Marlies at least 2-3 years. 
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Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
« Reply #401 on: March 17, 2016, 06:20:32 PM »
In the 2015-16 OHL coaches poll:

-Dermott voted best offensive defenceman in Western Conference
-Marner voted best stickhandler and best playmaker in Western Conference

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Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
« Reply #402 on: March 17, 2016, 07:51:35 PM »
Great new Potvin, lets see what Quebec and the West have to say
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Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
« Reply #403 on: March 18, 2016, 09:43:48 AM »
In the 2015-16 OHL coaches poll:

-Marner voted best stickhandler and best playmaker in Western Conference

Bracco finished 3rd to Marner in both those categories too.

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Re: 2015-16 Prospects Thread
« Reply #404 on: March 18, 2016, 09:58:42 AM »
For the completionists:
http://new.ontariohockeyleague.com/article/ohl-announces-2015-16-coaches-poll-winners

For the lazy non-clickers:
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2015-16 OHL Coaches Poll Winners:

Most Underrated Player:

Eastern Conference:
1. Andrew Mangiapane, Barrie Colts (28)
2. Jordan Maletta, Niagara IceDogs (16)
3. Juho Lammikko, Kingston Frontenacs (15)

Western Conference:
1. Aaron Berisha, London Knights (22)
2. Jeff King, Sarnia Sting (14)
3. Jalen Chatfield, Windsor Spitfires (12)

Most Improved Player:

Eastern Conference:
1. Jeremy Helvig, Kingston Frontenacs (30)
2. Mathew Santos, North Bay Battalion (18)
3. Nic Hague, Mississauga Steelheads tied Riley Stillman, Oshawa Generals (10)

Western Conference:
1. Kyle Maksimovich, Erie Otters tied Logan Stanley, Windsor Spitfires (25)
3. Adam Mascherin, Kitchener Rangers (10)

Smartest Player:

Eastern Conference:
1. Mike Amadio, North Bay Battalion (32)
2. Kevin Labanc, Barrie Colts (25)
3. Hunter Garlent, Peterborough Petes (8)

Western Conference:
1. Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (41) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
2. Matthew Tkachuk, London Knights (18)
3. Petrus Palmu, Owen Sound Attack (7)

Hardest Worker:

Eastern Conference:
1. Michael McLeod, Mississauga Steelheads tied Mike Amadio, North Bay Battalion (24) – McLeod finished third in voting in 2014-15
3. Lawson Crouse, Kingston Frontenacs (21) – finished first in voting in 2014-15

Western Conference:
1. Hayden Verbeek, Soo Greyhounds (32)
2. Jonah Gadjovich, Owen Sound Attack tied Josh Jacobs, Sarnia Sting (13)

Best Playmaker:

Eastern Conference:
1. Kevin Labanc, Barrie Colts (31)
2. Josh Ho-Sang, Niagara IceDogs (26) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
3. Michael Dal Colle, Kingston Frontenacs (12)

Western Conference:
1. Mitch Marner, London Knights (35) – finished second in voting in 2014-15
2. Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (27)
3. Jeremy Bracco, Kitchener Rangers (12)

Most Dangerous in Goal Area:

Eastern Conference:
1. Spencer Watson, Kingston Frontenacs (35) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
2. Kevin Labanc, Barrie Colts tied Mike Amadio, North Bay Battalion (24)

Western Conference:
1. Alex DeBrincat, Erie Otters (37) – finished first in voting in 2014-15
2. Christian Dvorak, London Knights (32)
3. Zach Senyshyn, Soo Greyhounds (9)

Best Skater:

Eastern Conference:
1. Andrew Mangiapane, Barrie Colts (18)
2. Sean Day, Mississauga Steelheads tied Mitchell Vande Sompel, Oshawa Generals, and Jonathan Ang, Peterborough Petes (17) – Day finished second in voting in both 2013-14 and 2014-15

Western Conference:
1. Zach Senyshyn, Soo Greyhounds (33) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
2. Victor Mete, London Knights (27)
3. Vili Saarijarvi, Flint Firebirds tied Jordan Kyrou, Sarnia Sting (7)

Best Shot:

Eastern Conference:
1. Mike Amadio, North Bay Battalion (35)
2. Spencer Watson, Kingston Frontenacs (30)
3. Alex Nylander, Mississauga Steelheads tied Greg Betzold, Peterborough Petes (7)

Western Conference:
1. Adam Mascherin, Kitchener Rangers (28)
2. Travis Konecny, Sarnia Sting (25)
3. Alex DeBrincat, Erie Otters (16)

Hardest Shot:

Eastern Conference:
1. Kyle Wood, North Bay Battalion (41) – finished second in voting in 2014-15
2. Lawson Crouse, Kingston Frontenacs (23)
3. Rasmus Andersson, Barrie Colts (10)

Western Conference:
1. Mikhail Sergachev, Windsor Spitfires (30)
2. Pavel Zacha, Sarnia Sting (20)
3. Adam Mascherin, Kitchener Rangers (13)

Best Stickhandler:

Eastern Conference:
1. Josh Ho-Sang, Niagara IceDogs (35) – finished first in voting in 2014-15
2. Alex Nylander, Mississauga Steelheads (16)
3. Kevin Labanc, Barrie Colts (15)

Western Conference:
1. Mitch Marner, London Knights (43) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
2. William Bitten, Flint Firebirds (13)
3. Jeremy Bracco, Kitchener Rangers tied Blake Speers, Soo Greyhounds (11)

Best on Face-Offs:

Eastern Conference:
1. Jordan Maletta, Niagara IceDogs (38)
2. Mike Amadio, North Bay Battalion (24)
3. Juho Lammikko, Kingston Frontenacs (10)

Western Conference:
1. Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (30)
2. Gustaf Franzen, Kitchener Rangers (21)
3. Christian Dvorak, London Knights (20)

Best Body Checker:

Eastern Conference:
1. Lawson Crouse, Kingston Frontenacs (39)
2. Jacob Middleton, Ottawa 67’s (13)
3. Cameron Lizotte, Barrie Colts (11) – finished second in voting in 2014-15

Western Conference:
1. Givani Smith, Guelph Storm (34)
2. Connor Hall, Kitchener Rangers tied Jacob Friend, Owen Sound Attack (12)

Best Shot Blocker:

Eastern Conference:
1. Jacob Middleton, Ottawa 67’s (25)
2. Roland McKeown, Kingston Frontenacs (15)
3. Dylan Sadowy, Barrie Colts (14)

Western Conference:
1. Damir Sharipzyanov, Owen Sound Attack (24)
2. Darren Raddysh, Erie Otters (18)
3. Will Petschenig, Saginaw Spirit tied Patrick Sanvido, Windsor Spitfires (11)

Best Defensive Forward:

Eastern Conference:
1. Mike Amadio, North Bay Battalion (32)
2. Juho Lammikko, Kingston Frontenacs (29) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
3. Cordell James, Barrie Colts tied Anthony Cirelli, Oshawa Generals (9)

Western Conference:
1. Kyle Pettit, Erie Otters (31) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
2. Ryan MacInnis, Kitchener Rangers (22)
3. Kris Bennett, Saginaw Spirit (14)

Best Penalty Killer:

Eastern Conference:
1. Kevin Labanc, Barrie Colts (26)
2. Mike Amadio, North Bay Battalion (25)
3. Jordan Maletta, Niagara IceDogs (17)

Western Conference:
1. Pavel Zacha, Sarnia Sting (26)
2. Kyle Pettit, Erie Otters (19)
3. Darby Llewellyn, Kitchener Rangers (16)

Best Offensive Defenceman:

Eastern Conference:
1. Rasmus Andersson, Barrie Colts (31) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
2. Mitchell Vande Sompel, Oshawa Generals (23) – finished second in voting in 2014-15
3. Cam Dineen, North Bay Battalion (17)

Western Conference:
1. Travis Dermott, Erie Otters (28)
2. Vili Saarijarvi, Flint Firebirds (21)
3. Mikhail Sergachev, Windsor Spitfires (20)

Best Defensive Defenceman:

Eastern Conference:
1. Roland McKeown, Kingston Frontenacs (30) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
2. Jacob Middleton, Ottawa 67’s (29)
3. Michael Webster, Barrie Colts (19)

Western Conference:
1. Darren Raddysh, Erie Otters (37)
2. Frank Hora, Kitchener Rangers (13)
3. Chris Martenet, London Knights tied Colton White, Soo Greyhounds (9)

Best Puck-Handling Goalie:

Eastern Conference:
1. Mackenzie Blackwood, Barrie Colts tied Alex Nedeljkovic, Niagara IceDogs (21) – Nedeljkovic finished third in 2014-15 West vote
2. Jake Smith, North Bay Battalion (18) – finished second in voting in 2013-14 and 2014-15

Western Conference:
1. Brandon Halverson, Soo Greyhounds (28) – finished first in 2013-14 and 2014-15
2. Michael Giugovaz, Guelph Storm (12)
3. Michael McNiven, Owen Sound Attack (11)

Best Shootout Shooter:

Eastern Conference:
1. Andrew Mangiapane, Barrie Colts (29) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
2. Alex Nylander, Mississauga Steelheads (20)
3. Josh Ho-Sang, Niagara IceDogs (16)

Western Conference:
1. Dylan Strome, Erie Otters (23)
2. Christian Dvorak, London Knights (22)
3. William Bitten, Flint Firebirds tied Petrus Palmu, Owen Sound Attack (16)

Best Shootout Goalie:

Eastern Conference:
1. Alex Nedeljkovic, Niagara IceDogs (24) – finished second in 2013-14 and 2014-15 West voting
2. Mackenzie Blackwood, Barrie Colts (18) – finished third in voting in 2014-15
3. Jack Flinn, Mississauga Steelheads (16)

Western Conference:
1. Devin Williams, Erie Otters (36)
2. Michael McNiven, Owen Sound Attack (16)
3. Charlie Graham, Sarnia Sting (11)
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