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Quote from: freer on March 03, 2015, 08:00:11 AMQuote from: LuncheonMeat on March 03, 2015, 01:17:33 AMThis feels like the 80's again to some extent.Hey we were bad in the 80's, but we still made the playoffs.That's a reflection of the 1980s NHL, not of the Leafs. In 1985-86, the Leafs made the playoffs with 57 points and the 3rd worst record in the NHL.
Quote from: LuncheonMeat on March 03, 2015, 01:17:33 AMThis feels like the 80's again to some extent.Hey we were bad in the 80's, but we still made the playoffs.
This feels like the 80's again to some extent.
Quote from: freer on March 03, 2015, 08:20:16 AMStill better then any of us have seen in the last 10 plus years.The recent Leaf teams have mostly had better records and been better teams than most of the Leafs teams from the 80s, so, no. Simply making the playoffs doesn't mean much now. It meant even less then, when all you had to do to make it was not be the worst team in your division.
Still better then any of us have seen in the last 10 plus years.
Quote from: bustaheims on March 03, 2015, 10:12:44 AMQuote from: freer on March 03, 2015, 08:20:16 AMStill better then any of us have seen in the last 10 plus years.The recent Leaf teams have mostly had better records and been better teams than most of the Leafs teams from the 80s, so, no. Simply making the playoffs doesn't mean much now. It meant even less then, when all you had to do to make it was not be the worst team in your division.freer, you obviously didn't suffer through the 80s with this team. They were simply terrible.
Quote from: LuncheonMeat on March 03, 2015, 11:03:02 AMQuote from: bustaheims on March 03, 2015, 10:12:44 AMQuote from: freer on March 03, 2015, 08:20:16 AMStill better then any of us have seen in the last 10 plus years.The recent Leaf teams have mostly had better records and been better teams than most of the Leafs teams from the 80s, so, no. Simply making the playoffs doesn't mean much now. It meant even less then, when all you had to do to make it was not be the worst team in your division.freer, you obviously didn't suffer through the 80s with this team. They were simply terrible.I have been suffering since 75. So yes they were bad. They made the playoffs which is the goal for a team.
Quote from: freer on March 03, 2015, 01:22:27 PMQuote from: LuncheonMeat on March 03, 2015, 11:03:02 AMQuote from: bustaheims on March 03, 2015, 10:12:44 AMQuote from: freer on March 03, 2015, 08:20:16 AMStill better then any of us have seen in the last 10 plus years.The recent Leaf teams have mostly had better records and been better teams than most of the Leafs teams from the 80s, so, no. Simply making the playoffs doesn't mean much now. It meant even less then, when all you had to do to make it was not be the worst team in your division.freer, you obviously didn't suffer through the 80s with this team. They were simply terrible.I have been suffering since 75. So yes they were bad. They made the playoffs which is the goal for a team.I think the goal of the team is to win, not just make the playoffs, which is something they didn't do much of. The 80s, in summary:- Combined regular season record: 266 - 441 - 93- Combined playoff record: 17 - 24- They did not qualify for the playoffs in 4 of their 10 seasons (not easy to do at that time unless you were really terrible)- One of the six seasons they did qualify, they didn't win a single game- Two of the six seasons they did qualify, they won one game- For the 4 seasons between 1988 and 1991, the failed to qualify 3 times, and won a single game the other.
So what is your opinion on SJ then finish 1st or 2nd over a 5 year period not winning a round in the playoffs. The playoffs are a different season, any team can win. IMO that is a teams goal to make the playoffs and try to get on a run.
Quote from: freer on March 04, 2015, 08:13:02 AMSo what is your opinion on SJ then finish 1st or 2nd over a 5 year period not winning a round in the playoffs. The playoffs are a different season, any team can win. IMO that is a teams goal to make the playoffs and try to get on a run.The Sharks have never, in the history of their franchise, gone 5 years without winning a playoff round.
Fine you are correct. I have misspoken. They have never lived up to their expectations in the playoffs.
At least during the '80s, as bad as they were, I felt more optimistic for the future. Now, for the past 10 plus years, we have had nothing but failure, and, more recently, collapse after collapse, when things were thought to be so promising.
Quote from: Al14 on March 16, 2015, 03:50:18 PMAt least during the '80s, as bad as they were, I felt more optimistic for the future. Now, for the past 10 plus years, we have had nothing but failure, and, more recently, collapse after collapse, when things were thought to be so promising.Really? You remember the 80s much differently than I do. In the 80s, you knew going into the season that the Leafs weren't going anywhere. They might make the playoffs by virtue of not being the worst team in their division, but, they certainly weren't going to accomplish anything there. There was also little faith in the drafting or development system and an understanding that just about any player that played well enough to earn a substantial contract (by that era's standards) was going to shipped out of town for pennies on the dollar and that the Leafs would basically be expansion team bad for the foreseeable future. There was no hope for the future until after Harold Ballard passed.While the team may not have had great results in the last decade, there is very much hope for the future right now. There are some bright prospects in the the system, management seems to be getting on the right page and the focus of the organization seems to be about improvement on the ice, whereas, in the 80s, it was about improving Ballard's bank balance.
Yeah. I've been about as critical of MLSE as it's humanly possible to be but even I wouldn't go so far as to say that things were better when the team was owned by a lunatic who would make terrible trades out of spite.