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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #210 on: February 18, 2015, 04:21:13 PM »
I wasn't a big fan of Franson though he'd obviously improved. Didn't mind Santorelli. First round picks are hard to come by - particularly in a good draft year. Like many, I think it was a fair and reasonable deal.

Even better, I'm glad for the true rebuild. I've wanted since JFJ and before the Quinn years. I hope they stick to their guns on it.

I've talked about this years before:
http://www.tsn.ca/talent/shanahan-should-emulate-wings-in-rebuild-1.208987
A key reason the Wings are good is because they get great price performance out of their prospects ... because they develop them like good wine - let them "age" properly. When they finally come up, they're ready, can really play and don't cost $4 mil per season (because they had one good one).

As rotten as this season is, I think this rebuild is great, overdue news. In time, it won't be as hard to cheer for an organization doing things right. Doesn't guarantee a Cup but there's a better chance they'll get a number of good runs at it and be more consistently respectable - and you usually have to do that if you're ever going to have a parade.

^ This was precisely what I hoped for when the offseason management moves were made. I hope they actually follow through now that ownership has committed to rebuild, rather than trying to buy our way into nearly-almost-winning-but-failing-dramatically. I don't mind Nonis being the triggerman on player moves, as he has a lot of buffer from making Clarksons mistakes: Dubas to identify gaps in the numbers and eke out value from market weakspots; Hunter to ID player template to target; Pridham to make sure the salary is sound; Nonis as the meat puppet with networking.

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #210 on: February 18, 2015, 04:21:13 PM »

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #211 on: February 18, 2015, 05:07:11 PM »
I think Bozak is definetly on the way out, may go with Winneck in a package a la Franson/Santorelli deal.

Yeah I based my earlier question re keeping Jokinen as a top line centre on assuming that Bozak would be gone.
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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #212 on: February 18, 2015, 06:29:21 PM »
You say keep jokinen as if he has any interest in signing with the leafs.

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #213 on: February 19, 2015, 10:32:39 AM »
Can we live with Kadri, Holland, Strome and Carrick/McKegg as our Centres. Perhaps a veteran presense like Ollie would be good to have
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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #214 on: February 19, 2015, 10:41:28 AM »
Can we live with Kadri, Holland, Strome and Carrick/McKegg as our Centres. Perhaps a veteran presense like Ollie would be good to have

Gauthier?  Nylander? (or is he more of a winger?)

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« Reply #215 on: February 19, 2015, 03:54:48 PM »
Gauthier, needs a least two years with the Marlies and Nylander will be a winger (more than likely).
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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #216 on: February 20, 2015, 08:07:31 AM »
Gauthier, needs a least two years with the Marlies and Nylander will be a winger (more than likely).

two years is fine. It is going to take that long to clear up the majority of this mess Nonis has made.

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #217 on: February 20, 2015, 01:14:28 PM »
Gauthier, needs a least two years with the Marlies and Nylander will be a winger (more than likely).

two years is fine. It is going to take that long to clear up the majority of this mess Nonis has made.


And boy what a mess he made!

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #218 on: February 20, 2015, 02:19:03 PM »
Gauthier, needs a least two years games with the Marlies and Nylander will be a winger multiple Conn Smythe trophy winner (more than likely).

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #219 on: February 25, 2015, 06:20:41 PM »
Looking at what the Hurricanes got for Sekerac, I think the Leafs may have undersold on Franson and Santorelli.
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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #220 on: February 25, 2015, 10:00:01 PM »
Looking at what the Hurricanes got for Sekerac, I think the Leafs may have undersold on Franson and Santorelli.

I was thinking exactly the same thing when I read about that trade, I would think Franson would have been the more coveted defenceman of the two. I am still happy with what we got for pending ufa's but it does appear that they may have jumped the gun a little with that deal.

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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #221 on: February 26, 2015, 10:57:34 AM »
I have a feeling Leipsac could make us forget Cody (who) and Mike (what)?  Supposedly he can stickhandle in a phone booth and plays with grit and drive. Maybe a steal even without the picks.
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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #222 on: February 26, 2015, 11:20:18 AM »
I have a feeling Leipsac could make us forget Cody (who) and Mike (what)?  Supposedly he can stickhandle in a phone booth and plays with grit and drive. Maybe a steal even without the picks.

I don't know.  With the advent of cell phones, there aren't too many phone booths on the ice anymore.
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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #223 on: February 26, 2015, 04:42:30 PM »
I was thinking exactly the same thing when I read about that trade, I would think Franson would have been the more coveted defenceman of the two. I am still happy with what we got for pending ufa's but it does appear that they may have jumped the gun a little with that deal.

I had similar thoughts but then I looked into Sekera a bit and think that may not be the case. He's cheaper for this year by a significant margin which made him a more appealing rental and last year he was playing 23 minutes a night and was tied for 15th in defenseman scoring. His numbers were down a little this year but what he did in Carolina is probably closer to what he'll be expected to do in LA than Franson and Nashville.
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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
« Reply #224 on: February 26, 2015, 04:47:24 PM »
Even better SI. a cell phone is a very small phone booth indeed ;D
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Re: Franson, Santorelli to NSH for 1st round pick, Brendan Leipsic, Olli Jokinen
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