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2011 Toronto Raptors/NBA/Labour Negotiations Spectacular
« on: September 26, 2011, 05:25:30 PM »

Not much to say here, I suppose. A missed season may actually work in the Raptors favor. I'm down on the team slightly because of their draft day decision but, well, in for a penny in for a pound as they say.

As to the labour front, people should be reading Malcolm Gladwell on the ridiculousness of the NBA's stance:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6874079/psychic-benefits-nba-lockout

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7021031/the-nets-nba-economics

I tried to make these arguments during the NHL lockout but, well, I'm no Malcolm Gladwell.
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2011 Toronto Raptors/NBA/Labour Negotiations Spectacular
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Re: 2011 Toronto Raptors/NBA/Labour Negotiations Spectacular
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2011, 11:37:18 PM »
http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=377840

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Re: 2011 Toronto Raptors/NBA/Labour Negotiations Spectacular
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2011, 12:11:02 AM »

Not much to say here, I suppose. A missed season may actually work in the Raptors favor. I'm down on the team slightly because of their draft day decision but, well, in for a penny in for a pound as they say.

As to the labour front, people should be reading Malcolm Gladwell on the ridiculousness of the NBA's stance:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6874079/psychic-benefits-nba-lockout

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7021031/the-nets-nba-economics

I tried to make these arguments during the NHL lockout but, well, I'm no Malcolm Gladwell.

Those were superb articles.  This gladwell guy is a beautiful thinker.

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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2011, 12:14:06 AM »
I just googled "the tipping point" by gladwell.  Has anyone read it?

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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2011, 12:27:19 AM »
I just googled "the tipping point" by gladwell.  Has anyone read it?

I am actually reading it right now. It's not as humourous as his online stuff, at least not yet. However, it's an excellent read. Well written, and interesting. I've only just started, but it'll be one I don't put down till I'm done, I suspect.

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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2011, 10:45:09 AM »
I just googled "the tipping point" by gladwell.  Has anyone read it?

I am actually reading it right now. It's not as humourous as his online stuff, at least not yet. However, it's an excellent read. Well written, and interesting. I've only just started, but it'll be one I don't put down till I'm done, I suspect.

I'd echo that recommendation and throw one in for "Outliers" also by Gladwell.
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Re: 2011 Toronto Raptors/NBA/Labour Negotiations Spectacular
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2011, 10:54:07 AM »
As to the labour front, people should be reading Malcolm Gladwell on the ridiculousness of the NBA's stance:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7021031/the-nets-nba-economics
 
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"...The players are greedy."

To which one  can say.... the owners are 'evil'.
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2011, 10:57:56 AM »
"...The players are greedy."

To which any fan or player can say.... the owners are 'evil'.

Yeah, I don't think using that sentence(and using ... only applies if you're not quoting a completed sentence, which that is) is in any way representative of the meaning of that sentence. This is what Gladwell actually wrote:

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A man buys a basketball team as insurance on a real estate project, flips the franchise to a Russian billionaire when he wins the deal, and then as both parties happily count their winnings what lesson are we asked to draw? The players are greedy.

It's a criticism on the inherent ridiculousness of the owner's position. Not an endorsement of it.
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2011, 10:58:16 AM »
Nice little gesture by Danny Granger, he took out all the arena workers for dinner and paid for everything. 

On a lockout note- apparently things turned sour when KG entered negotiations. 

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« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2011, 11:57:53 AM »
On a lockout note- apparently things turned sour when KG entered negotiations.

Or, if you listen to Amar'e Stoudemire, it's all Robert Sarver's fault.
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« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2011, 12:11:28 PM »
On a lockout note- apparently things turned sour when KG entered negotiations.

Or, if you listen to Amar'e Stoudemire, it's all Robert Sarver's fault.

You don't think STAT has any hard feelings that he wasn't re-signed?

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« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2011, 12:15:02 PM »
You don't think STAT has any hard feelings that he wasn't re-signed?

Not really. I think Amar'e wanted out after seeing the way Sarver cut costs there in the last few years. I think it's a minor miracle that Steve Nash hasn't demanded out.
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Re: 2011 Toronto Raptors/NBA/Labour Negotiations Spectacular
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2011, 01:37:40 PM »

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As a comparison, for Paul Allen, $5 million is the equivalent of $10 to someone worth $30,000. Would you hold up an entire sports league for $10? In fact, for Paul Allen, the entire stated losses of the league, $300 million, would be the equivalent of around $630 to someone worth $30,000.

This was in a Grantland piece on the economics of the lockout. It sort of blew my mind.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7186103/why-players-cave
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Re: 2011 Toronto Raptors/NBA/Labour Negotiations Spectacular
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2011, 03:55:03 AM »

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As a comparison, for Paul Allen, $5 million is the equivalent of $10 to someone worth $30,000. Would you hold up an entire sports league for $10? In fact, for Paul Allen, the entire stated losses of the league, $300 million,
would be the equivalent of around $630 to someone worth
$30,000.

This was in a Grantland piece on the economics of the
lockout. It sort of blew my mind.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7186103/why-
players-cave



Wow, just wow.  Guess it looks like a lose-lose situation for
the players.   And many out there still probably  think the
players are to blame with their greedy fat contractual demands.  The above-mentioned article (link) clarifies the
situation thoroughly.
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