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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #105 on: January 01, 2015, 08:07:12 PM »
Lupul is regarded as a very good player, but a bit of a glass guy unfortunately. Maybe time to trade him soon if he is not that badly injured.

Considering his age and his proness to injury, his value may be too low to even consider moving him.  Is his value, in its limited form, worth a 3rd or 4th rounder, destined to play for the Marlies for the next 2-3 years or longer? I'd rather keep him if those are the types of offers up for consideration.
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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #106 on: January 01, 2015, 08:39:11 PM »
His absence will be felt by no one.

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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #107 on: January 01, 2015, 08:53:59 PM »
I think Lupul over-works his muscles and doesn't give them enough rest.  You hear drunks or people sleeping having less injuries then people who see the accident coming and tighten all up. 
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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #108 on: January 01, 2015, 09:28:47 PM »
Lupul is regarded as a very good player, but a bit of a glass guy unfortunately. Maybe time to trade him soon if he is not that badly injured.

Anyone think Lupul for Perron has any chance of happening?

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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #109 on: January 02, 2015, 06:49:50 AM »
Lupul is regarded as a very good player, but a bit of a glass guy unfortunately. Maybe time to trade him soon if he is not that badly injured.

Anyone think Lupul for Perron has any chance of happening?

Why would Edm to that. His cap hit is 2 mil less, and 5 years younger. I would not mind one bit.

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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #110 on: January 02, 2015, 09:56:56 AM »
Hey Moon, perhaps Lupes should play with a few beers in him
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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #111 on: January 02, 2015, 10:29:25 AM »
problem is with trying to trade Lupul is the injuries are not hidden. Every team realizes his ability to play well but also get hurt numerous times.. some players are just cursed.. he is definitely one

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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #112 on: January 02, 2015, 11:10:39 AM »
His absence will be felt by no one.

mirtle: Leafs even strength points leaders in December: Lupul 12, Kadri 10, JVR 10, Santorelli 10, Kessel 8, Holland 7. So they'll miss Lupul.
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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #113 on: January 02, 2015, 11:37:57 AM »
Lupul is regarded as a very good player, but a bit of a glass guy unfortunately. Maybe time to trade him soon if he is not that badly injured.

Anyone think Lupul for Perron has any chance of happening?

Why would Edm to that. His cap hit is 2 mil less, and 5 years younger. I would not mind one bit.

Not sure. Perron was rumoured to be on the block after some comments he made.

He's had a disappointing start to his career in EDM. Maybe that's not enough to move him (probably not).

Lupul has more of a track record of producing although he obviously has injury concerns.

Lupul's contract drops in the last year, Perron's creeps up in 14-15 and 15-16.

The difference in cap hits is under 1.5M.

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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #114 on: January 02, 2015, 11:49:33 AM »
I think Lupul over-works his muscles and doesn't give them enough rest.  You hear drunks or people sleeping having less injuries then people who see the accident coming and tighten all up.

You're right, you hear it all the time but it's complete bunk. 

I think if Lupul gets moved it will be at the trade deadline to someone in need of scoring.  He really is a good player and it's a shame he can't stay healthy.
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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #115 on: January 02, 2015, 11:54:13 AM »
The biggest motivation for trading Lupul is freeing cap space, and, the focus is on Lupul because, of the Leafs' big contracts, he's one that teams might be willing to take on, is among the older players on the team and has become more of a secondary piece than a core piece. So, even if the return isn't huge, moving him could very well be the best move for the team's future. That being said, this year's UFA crop is pretty middling, and the cap could increase enough for it not to be a necessity this summer. That will really depend on what other moves the team may have lined up.
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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #116 on: January 02, 2015, 11:59:37 AM »
The biggest motivation for trading Lupul is freeing cap space, and, the focus is on Lupul because, of the Leafs' big contracts, he's one that teams might be willing to take on, is among the older players on the team and has become more of a secondary piece than a core piece. So, even if the return isn't huge, moving him could very well be the best move for the team's future. That being said, this year's UFA crop is pretty middling, and the cap could increase enough for it not to be a necessity this summer. That will really depend on what other moves the team may have lined up.

I agree with the cap space, and wonder if moving him would free up some $$ to resign Franson.  I'm also curious about Panik's ceiling, and whether he could eventually replace Lupul.
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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #117 on: January 02, 2015, 12:06:12 PM »
I agree with the cap space, and wonder if moving him would free up some $$ to resign Franson.  I'm also curious about Panik's ceiling, and whether he could eventually replace Lupul.

Maybe, but, at the same time, I'm not convinced committing big money and term to Franson is a smart move, either. I'm also not convinced he'll still be a Leaf after the trade deadline, but, that really depends on the team's record. If the Leafs are on the outside, looking in, Franson will be one of the most appealing trade candidates in the league.
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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #118 on: January 02, 2015, 12:49:08 PM »
The biggest motivation for trading Lupul is freeing cap space, and, the focus is on Lupul because, of the Leafs' big contracts, he's one that teams might be willing to take on, is among the older players on the team and has become more of a secondary piece than a core piece. So, even if the return isn't huge, moving him could very well be the best move for the team's future. That being said, this year's UFA crop is pretty middling, and the cap could increase enough for it not to be a necessity this summer. That will really depend on what other moves the team may have lined up.

I agree with the cap space, and wonder if moving him would free up some $$ to resign Franson.  I'm also curious about Panik's ceiling, and whether he could eventually replace Lupul.

Panik as a bottom 6 surprise waiver pickup is doing well, but his stats are completely a wolf in sheep clothing right now.  7G 1A.  When you have that much of a disparity in scoring stats, it usually isn't something reproducible in the long-run.  He also has a completely unsustainable 26.9% shooting percentage.

Panik has some nice hands that have led to his goals, and I'm sure that with more ice-time and better linemates that he would produce a little more, but he's not anything near a replacement for Lupul at this point.  I would certainly look at Panik playing a more prominent role on the 3rd line with Komarov and Holland when everyone is healthy however.

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Re: 2014/15 Leafs Injuries Thread
« Reply #119 on: January 02, 2015, 12:50:34 PM »
I'm also curious about Panik's ceiling, and whether he could eventually replace Lupul.

Ditto. He shares some attributes, apart from chronic IRitis.

I see Lupul as on only still being on the roster because (a) they can't move him without taking back salary, or (b) management is still delusional on what they consider assets are moving forward.