Author Topic: Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility  (Read 16253 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline CarltonTheBear

  • Administrator
  • Sittler Status
  • *****
  • Posts: 27738
    • View Profile
Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility
« on: September 21, 2011, 06:57:04 PM »
According to Damien Cox, the Leafs have discussed the possibility of acquiring Kyle Turris from Phoenix:

Quote
Best-case scenarios, of course, have a way of evaporating. For the Leafs it’s really not at all certain whether Lombardi, still not cleared for contact, will indeed be ready for the start of the season or able to shake off his lengthy concussion history to play anything close to a full season.

If it becomes evident in the next little while he can’t, the Leafs may get very interested in the 22-year-old Turris and in a hurry.

There have been some preliminary discussions on the possibility of a deal between the Leafs and Coyotes although Kurt Overhart, Turris’ agent, may be the driving force in any chats that have taken place.

The cost? Probably Bozak who had more points (32) than Turris last year (25) but in more games and with a minus-29 to boot. Both are right-handed shooting centres and Bozak’s price tag — $1.5 millon for this season and next — would fit the Phoenix payroll more comfortably than the $3-4 million that rumours suggest Turris is seeking.

Link: http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/article/1057268--unsigned-coyote-might-be-an-option-for-leafs?bn=1

I don't typically get too caught up in media rumours, but this one is certainly interesting. If the cost really is just Bozak, then it'd be a very hard trade to turn down. I'm assuming Turris' ridiculous contracts demands have a little something to do with wanting out of the desert, so he'll likely sign for something a lot more reasonable if he was traded. But where do we put him? A Kadri-Turris-Armstrong 3rd line isn't exactly ideal, but I'd hate for that to be a reason to pass up on someone with his potential.

Offline bustaheims

  • Sittler Status
  • ******
  • Posts: 21696
  • 56!
    • View Profile
Re: Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2011, 07:00:39 PM »
As intriguing as Turris is, my guess is his recent actions (read: crazy contract demands to get traded) will have called his character into question and soured Burke on him a little. If the cost is just Bozak, then maybe it gets done, but, if it's more than that, I don't see it happening.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

Offline BlueWhiteBlood

  • Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 4146
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2011, 07:01:19 PM »
I don't typically get too caught up in media rumours, but this one is certainly interesting. If the cost really is just Bozak, then it'd be a very hard trade to turn down. I'm assuming Turris' ridiculous contracts demands have a little something to do with wanting out of the desert, so he'll likely sign for something a lot more reasonable if he was traded. But where do we put him? A Kadri-Turris-Armstrong 3rd line isn't exactly ideal, but I'd hate for that to be a reason to pass up on someone with his potential.

I'm confused on this one. Is he going to be better than Bozak? I'm not convinced yet. I guess his draft position and potential says he should be, but it doesn't say he will be for sure. I would hesitate on the trade and would feel more comfortable giving up a pick for him, than a player, but that's me.
BWB

Offline Nik

  • Sittler Status
  • ******
  • Posts: 27649
  • Sucker punching Logan Couture
    • View Profile
Re: Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2011, 07:02:55 PM »

It's an interesting idea but I'd have to be pretty sure that his contract demands weren't so out of whack with his performance before I dealt anything for him.
Sports are like the reward of a functioning society
- Sean Doolittle

Offline CarltonTheBear

  • Administrator
  • Sittler Status
  • *****
  • Posts: 27738
    • View Profile
Re: Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2011, 07:10:45 PM »
I don't typically get too caught up in media rumours, but this one is certainly interesting. If the cost really is just Bozak, then it'd be a very hard trade to turn down. I'm assuming Turris' ridiculous contracts demands have a little something to do with wanting out of the desert, so he'll likely sign for something a lot more reasonable if he was traded. But where do we put him? A Kadri-Turris-Armstrong 3rd line isn't exactly ideal, but I'd hate for that to be a reason to pass up on someone with his potential.

I'm confused on this one. Is he going to be better than Bozak? I'm not convinced yet. I guess his draft position and potential says he should be, but it doesn't say he will be for sure. I would hesitate on the trade and would feel more comfortable giving up a pick for him, than a player, but that's me.

They scored at about the same pace last season, with Bozak getting much more ice-time and playing with better linemates (although last season was hardly one to gloat about for either player). Bozak is 3 years older than Turris though too. It's obviously difficult to say right now which player will be better, but I'd say Turris' potential definitely is higher than Bozak's while Bozak is the safer player of the two.


It's an interesting idea but I'd have to be pretty sure that his contract demands weren't so out of whack with his performance before I dealt anything for him.

Agreed. Burke would have to have some sort of conversation with his agent before the trade went through. If Turris truly believes he's worth that sort of money right now then by all means keep him away from here.

Offline BlueWhiteBlood

  • Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 4146
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2011, 07:15:52 PM »
They scored at about the same pace last season, with Bozak getting much more ice-time and playing with better linemates (although last season was hardly one to gloat about for either player). Bozak is 3 years older than Turris though too. It's obviously difficult to say right now which player will be better, but I'd say Turris' potential definitely is higher than Bozak's while Bozak is the safer player of the two.

Yeah, I think that is where I'm getting caught up with. I think I'd still rather give up a pick, rather than Bozak at this point, as I think we can afford to give up a pick, but have some investment into Bozak. I can definitely see why Phoenix would want Bozak though.
BWB

Offline Tigger

  • All Star
  • *****
  • Posts: 6368
  • You can play
    • View Profile
Re: Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2011, 08:13:06 PM »
If there's any truth to this and Turris would sign for a reasonable amount ( though that 'character' question might get in the way ) Burke shouldn't trade a player of consequence to get just him, maybe expand it to include some kind of other prize.

Oh wait, it's not Kadri for Turris? Wrong thread, sorry.
"My father was born shortly after the Wright Brothers" Charlie Duke

Offline princedpw

  • Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 2465
    • View Profile
Re: Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2011, 03:38:01 AM »
In a cap world I think bozak at 1.8 million is a lot more valuable than turris at 4. Jordan Staal makes 4 doesn't he?

Offline BlueWhiteBlood

  • Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 4146
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2011, 05:21:48 AM »
In a cap world I think bozak at 1.8 million is a lot more valuable than turris at 4. Jordan Staal makes 4 doesn't he?

Yes, but Turris doesn't make 4 million, nor do I think he will on his next contract. I think this is totally a stance to push a trade from Phoenix, personally.

Another thing is, that just because Cox suggests Bozak as a trade chip doesn't mean that that is what Phoenix would receive if this trade was actually going to be talked about. As I mentioned above, I can see the appeal from Phoenix's side to want Bozak in return, but I don't think they are in a position to dictate here, unless they are willing to wait Turris out for any length of time. I believe Burke (if he was interested in Turris) could get a deal done involving a pick, much like the Filatov deal, that has been compared in recent days on other publications. That is much more appealing from where I'm sitting, as I see that as a much better gamble for a player like Turris.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2011, 05:23:21 AM by BlueWhiteBlood »
BWB

Offline Zee

  • Sittler Status
  • ******
  • Posts: 12998
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2011, 08:47:15 AM »
If it's true that his contract demands are out of whack in hopes that Phoenix trades him, I don't really think i'd want a player like that.  How long before he sours in another city and does stupid things to try and get traded again?

Offline BlueWhiteBlood

  • Veteran
  • ****
  • Posts: 4146
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2011, 08:59:38 AM »
If it's true that his contract demands are out of whack in hopes that Phoenix trades him, I don't really think i'd want a player like that.  How long before he sours in another city and does stupid things to try and get traded again?

I'm sure there are some issues that we as fans and outside onlookers are not privvy to. Who knows what has gone on between Phoenix and Turris, however I guess it could very well be a character flaw. There has been some talk about Tippet and Turris not being on the same game plan, or at least Turris not fitting in with his coaching style or system, maybe it's just that simple, however I doubt it. I'm sure there are things here we just don't know, because everybody and there mother knows this kid just hasn't earned 4 million a season.
BWB

Offline Sarge

  • All Star
  • *****
  • Posts: 7783
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2011, 09:12:49 AM »
I really don't have much intrest in Turris right now. Now, give me some sort of funky deal where Phoenix takes Komisarek + or something, sure but I wasn't able to drum a scenario in the 2.5 minutes is spent thinking about it.

Offline Bullfrog

  • All Star
  • *****
  • Posts: 5666
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2011, 10:25:08 AM »
If it's true that his contract demands are out of whack in hopes that Phoenix trades him, I don't really think i'd want a player like that.  How long before he sours in another city and does stupid things to try and get traded again?

That's an impossible question to answer. I think it's creating a straw-man type of argument considering both the contract demands and their reasonings are nothing but rumours. If they are true, which I'd be very hesitant to assume, then why assume he would repeat that behaviour on every consequent team he plays for?

Offline Bender

  • All Star
  • *****
  • Posts: 7124
  • Gender: Male
  • Bender cracked corn and he is great!
    • View Profile
Re: Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2011, 10:30:33 AM »
If it's true that his contract demands are out of whack in hopes that Phoenix trades him, I don't really think i'd want a player like that.  How long before he sours in another city and does stupid things to try and get traded again?

That's an impossible question to answer. I think it's creating a straw-man type of argument considering both the contract demands and their reasonings are nothing but rumours. If they are true, which I'd be very hesitant to assume, then why assume he would repeat that behaviour on every consequent team he plays for?

Regardless, I have an inkling that Burke wouldn't want a player like Turris, who's shown next to nothing at the NHL level.
"They say you can judge a man by the company he keeps. So here is the professor's oldest friend, a grotesque, stinking lobster." - Bender

Offline slapshot

  • Rookie
  • ***
  • Posts: 541
    • View Profile
Re: Cox: Turris to the Leafs is a possibility
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2011, 04:50:11 PM »
To me, this is just a bunch of speculation to sell newspapers. How come every time  players of quality or potential may be on the block, all the rumours speculate on him coming to the Leafs, whether it makes sense or not. Aren't there 28 other teams out there, who may have as much or more interest than the Leafs.
With a possible pending return of Lombardi sometime this season, I don't think they want to mess with the chemistry they are trying to build too much.
Finding a spot for Lombardi will be challenging enough. Depending on the kind of season Zach Parise has and what his contract demands are, I could potentially see the Leafs packaging two or three players for him, now that they have depth and some prospects with potential. The Devils might find that kind of deal attractive. That kind of a deal would make more sense in my opinion.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2011, 04:51:59 PM by slapshot »