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Re: Bill Peters accused of using racial slur, also fired
« Reply #105 on: December 11, 2019, 01:33:14 PM »
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Re: Bill Peters accused of using racial slur, also fired
« Reply #106 on: December 11, 2019, 01:40:30 PM »

I appreciate that the issues of racism within the game are going to get a lot of the attention and rightfully so but I think we haven't really come to terms with the fact that with the whole Aliu-Downie thing the whole hockey establishment basically sided with Downie(and that includes the media and fans) and we all sort of went along with that.
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Re: Bill Peters accused of using racial slur, also fired
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Re: Bill Peters accused of using racial slur, also fired
« Reply #107 on: December 11, 2019, 04:03:35 PM »

I appreciate that the issues of racism within the game are going to get a lot of the attention and rightfully so but I think we haven't really come to terms with the fact that with the whole Aliu-Downie thing the whole hockey establishment basically sided with Downie(and that includes the media and fans) and we all sort of went along with that.

The Downie-Aliu incident also happened 14 years ago- are you surprised that's where people sided with things that long ago?  I'm pretty sure hazing at that time was likely more acceptable than it is now- NOT THAT IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN.

Already one coach (DJ Smith) who was there for that incident has come out and said that following that incident he banned hazing practices when he became a head coach in Oshawa and players in that organization say that ban is still in place. 

Clearly its taken hockey culture too long to adjust, especially in some places, but it is changing.  Hopefully all of this coming out now will accelerate it.

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Re: Bill Peters accused of using racial slur, also fired
« Reply #108 on: December 11, 2019, 04:13:14 PM »
The Downie-Aliu incident also happened 14 years ago- are you surprised that's where people sided with things that long ago?  I'm pretty sure hazing at that time was likely more acceptable than it is now-

Yes, I was surprised. Admittedly, my perspective might be slightly skewed on this but I was in a fraternity in university around that time and hazing, and it's social acceptability, was something that popped up a lot for me because there had been a rash of pretty public hazing incidents(none involving us or even at my school) and it greatly affected our insurance rates and mandated that our executive council do a lot of anti-hazing training.

Which isn't to say that hazing had been eliminated from society or anything just that very public incidents of it were, I don't think, as acceptable as you think they were(not you personally I mean but by society). If only for liability purposes.
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Re: Bill Peters accused of using racial slur, also fired
« Reply #109 on: December 11, 2019, 05:26:58 PM »

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Re: Bill Peters accused of using racial slur, also fired
« Reply #110 on: December 16, 2019, 08:22:12 PM »
Crawford/Hawks update

I approve of the way this is being handled. It outlines that the actions of Crawford were unacceptable at the time, but that he has acknowledged that, tried to make amends with the players he's wronged, has sought ongoing help, and wishes to be a voice to help further the growth of the game away from what he once was.

I had visions of potential witch-hunts and career-ending judgements for actions that were once deemed just an unspoken ugly standard. It's unfair to judge someone today solely by their actions 20 or 30 years ago when the expectations and social "rules" were different. That doesn't excuse or condone those past actions, but at least it treats them in the context of the era.

For Crawford to serve a limited suspension and the resume duties as laid out in that article seems to be a pretty fair way to handle it.
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Re: Bill Peters accused of using racial slur, also fired
« Reply #111 on: December 16, 2019, 09:31:13 PM »
I had visions of potential witch-hunts and career-ending judgements for actions that were once deemed just an unspoken ugly standard. It's unfair to judge someone today solely by their actions 20 or 30 years ago when the expectations and social "rules" were different. That doesn't excuse or condone those past actions, but at least it treats them in the context of the era.

While I appreciate what you're saying, I think it should be acknowledged that in a lot of these cases the "rules" were different because the people who complained about them and wanted to change them were labelled all sorts of nasty things by the Don Cherrys of the game and effectively driven out. So it can't really be a defense if those standards were being stubbornly clung to by the same people who now think they're exculpatory.
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Re: Bill Peters accused of using racial slur, also fired
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Re: Bill Peters accused of using racial slur, also fired
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